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Post by kim on Jan 23, 2009 15:10:51 GMT -5
In response to Bucky's thread about the similarities to KISS,
I felt the need to pose the question...why do so many here
hammer Bruce?
The man in my opinion is a great artist and has put out some
otherwise great and fantastic music over the years.
I don't understand why he gets "dissed" the way he does here
at times???
In my opinion, the guys vocals are fantastic, the lyrics are
those that others want to record and have...only to their
benefit...(think Manfred Mann, Status Quo, Dave Edmunds)...
Springsteen hasn't lost a step, since he first stepped onto the
worlds musical stage...and in fact has refined and defined his
musical prowess to the point where even if he doesn't get the
airplay he once was privileged to, he still is considered one of
the best performers going...and his live shows are proof of this.
Any tickets left over for a pittance before any of Springsteen's
gigs?
Deemed the hardest working man in the rock world at one point,
he still seems to hold that title in my eyes from not only his
album releases but his concert appearances.
It's hard for me to accept that this guy is overlooked, and deemed a lesser musician by some that prefer to give in to the hip hop, rap, rattle and shake techno crap delivered by the stars of the day that most likely weren't even born before the Boss hit the stage?
What is it?...too political? Too gruff sounding? Not loud enough?
Too many instruments? To Old?, Too cool? Not cool enough? Doesn't show up up on Entertainment Tonight enough???...........seriously....I don't get it?
The man, his group and his overall musical attitude speaks volumes, at least to me, and is one of the last true, original, honest vestiges of what music really means.
Anyway, flame away...curious to find out why Bruce really gets
hammered for his work?
Thanks
Kim
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Post by spacel0rd on Jan 23, 2009 16:33:34 GMT -5
I think he is soooo overrated. 98% of his music does nothing for me. I can't put my finger on why. Its not that i hate the music, its just that it doesnt move me in any kind of way.
Something tells me if i went to one of his 3 hour concerts I would be looking at my watch many many times.
Some of his concert rants ("When i was a young boy, i lied about my age so i could join the army...ect...") sounds, well...rehearsed and fake. In fact, I love doing Springsteen imitations of him saying things like that.
Its great that people love him, and they get something out of it...but to me, he is very boring.
The same goes for The Grateful Dead and U2. I never "got it."
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Post by spacel0rd on Jan 23, 2009 16:34:44 GMT -5
Oh...and....I almost forgot:
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Post by onering on Jan 23, 2009 19:40:49 GMT -5
I seriously have wondered this my whole life. Despite his overall popularity it seems like no matter what rock fan I mention to that he is my all-time favorite I get the same response. "He sucks!" It seems like Tom Petty, Mellencamp, Neil Young, Bob Seger and others that for right or wrong get tagged "heartland rock" all get a pass from everyone but for some reason Bruce gets the hate.
I grew up listening to classic rock, metal and prog rock but he has always been my favorite. His lyrics have always been the most cinematic of any songwriter ever to me. Every song is a film when I listen to it, I can picture his images in my mind like he's a director. I know that sounds extremely cheesy but that's what I get from him.
As far as great rock n roll, I feel that there are few bands that can deliver the power of the E Street Band and believe me I don;t make that statement lightly.
Like Kim mentioned, the other thing that drives me nuts is the idea people have that he is not a talented musician. He is so talented it's sickening. He started off playing lead guitar in the late 60's and early 70's in a couple different bands influenced by Cream, Zeppelin, Hendrix and Sabbath. His reputation as a preformer grew out of his guitar playing especially in a band called Steel Mill. There are great audio clips on YouTube where his talent as a lead player can be heard. He continued playing heavy and powerful lead guitar all through the 70's especially on the Darkness On the Edge of Town tour from 1978. Over the following years his sound changed putting more of the focus on the overall feel of a song and allowing the E Street Band to apply it's natural soundscape to the music rather than be a showcase for his guitar playing.
In this age of one-off crap bands and digital music, the man continues to pump out platinum albums, sold out tours and winning over young fans. All of this 36 years after the release of his debut album. How many artists can still do that?
I realize if you hate him no written words by me will ever make you change your mind but even artists who's music I despise are still worthy of my respect. Most of the time Bruce haters don't even give him that.
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Post by rtbuck on Jan 23, 2009 21:02:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't know why the HELL people took it as I was bashing the man so  I've been a member of this board since the start & have never bashed Springsteen.In fact if people ever bothered to look at the main site you would know that I've praised the Boss on a couple of reviews I wrote over the past few years. Everyone on this board should know by now that I'm a huge Kiss fan & I have been a Kiss freak for the past 32 years. Naturally, when I found out about the Springsteen tune I found it a bit amusing after hearing that part so I shared it with the forum. In fact in that original post I said I thought the song was cool. I'm not going to go off now & s***k Springsteen's you know what & write some good words about how great I really think he is. I purposely have bashed Hendrix & Zeppelin in the past on the board but that's just my opinion & it doesn't really matter. I used to always get harassed for being a Kiss fan & have heard so many people talk about how they are all horrible musicians in Kiss. It didn't matter to me & it obviously wouldn't matter to the millions & millions of other Kiss fans out there. I have a close friend who is as much of a Springsteen freak as I am a Kiss freak so as soon as I heard that part of the song I sent him an e-mail about it. his response was simple as he knows my sense of humor & his response was: "Kiss my Ass" & my response to those who seem offended to my original post: "Kiss My Ass!"  |
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Post by onering on Jan 24, 2009 7:46:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't know why the HELL people took it as I was bashing the man so I've been a member of this board since the start & have never bashed Springsteen.In fact if people ever bothered to look at the main site you would know that I've praised the Boss on a couple of reviews I wrote over the past few years. Everyone on this board should know by now that I'm a huge Kiss fan & I have been a Kiss freak for the past 32 years. Naturally, when I found out about the Springsteen tune I found it a bit amusing after hearing that part so I shared it with the forum. In fact in that original post I said I thought the song was cool. I'm not going to go off now & s***k Springsteen's you know what & write some good words about how great I really think he is. I purposely have bashed Hendrix & Zeppelin in the past on the board but that's just my opinion & it doesn't really matter. I used to always get harassed for being a Kiss fan & have heard so many people talk about how they are all horrible musicians in Kiss. It didn't matter to me & it obviously wouldn't matter to the millions & millions of other Kiss fans out there. I have a close friend who is as much of a Springsteen freak as I am a Kiss freak so as soon as I heard that part of the song I sent him an e-mail about it. his response was simple as he knows my sense of humor & his response was: "Kiss my Ass" & my response to those who seem offended to my original post: "Kiss My Ass!" Bucky, I will tell you that my comments in your thread were in no way directed specifically at you or anyone else in particular. You did after all say that it was a cool song, and I did agree with the similarities of the Kiss song. My comments were more of a generalized nature because I know that for the most part Kiss fans are probably not going to be Springsteen fans, just like AC/DC or Metallica fans wouldn't be. I say this because I am a lifelong fan of metal and hard rock and have rarely met anyone else that are fans of heavy music who is a fan of Springsteen.  |
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Post by Rush862 on Jan 24, 2009 8:21:04 GMT -5
Something tells me if i went to one of his 3 hour concerts I would be looking at my watch many many times. I respect your opinion, as I do everyone's on this board, but I don't think that you would find the time to look at your watch in one of his performances...the vast majority of people are not sitting at one of his shows. I know...been there...only 3 times, but that was almost 11 hours of standing on my feet, and not on the floor, but in the stands, sometimes at the very top of the arena, where there is no reason to stand, and just having a great time... Everyone should give him a try, at least once. |
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Post by kim on Jan 24, 2009 13:17:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't know why the HELL people took it as I was bashing the man so I've been a member of this board since the start & have never bashed Springsteen.In fact if people ever bothered to look at the main site you would know that I've praised the Boss on a couple of reviews I wrote over the past few years. Everyone on this board should know by now that I'm a huge Kiss fan & I have been a Kiss freak for the past 32 years. Naturally, when I found out about the Springsteen tune I found it a bit amusing after hearing that part so I shared it with the forum. In fact in that original post I said I thought the song was cool. I'm not going to go off now & s***k Springsteen's you know what & write some good words about how great I really think he is. I purposely have bashed Hendrix & Zeppelin in the past on the board but that's just my opinion & it doesn't really matter. I used to always get harassed for being a Kiss fan & have heard so many people talk about how they are all horrible musicians in Kiss. It didn't matter to me & it obviously wouldn't matter to the millions & millions of other Kiss fans out there. I have a close friend who is as much of a Springsteen freak as I am a Kiss freak so as soon as I heard that part of the song I sent him an e-mail about it. his response was simple as he knows my sense of humor & his response was: "Kiss my Ass" & my response to those who seem offended to my original post: "Kiss My Ass!" Bucky...my great American, Hab loving friend...I feel pretty bad in that my post was just to bring to light that there are a lot of folks that can either "take or leave" Springsteen...and I just wanted to post a thread to not only find out why, but further the talk of an otherwise great artist in my silly Canuck opinion. My original post to your previous thread, was in fact, tongue in cheek to a degree and smacked of sarcasm. Actually, it wasn't a take on your original thread, it was simply an observation on my behalf to quite possibly dilute any possible negative diatribes regarding the man and his music. I understood entirely, that you were not in any way, shape or form "bashing" the guy. You simply posted a link, (and I thank you for that) cuz I didn't even know that the guy had another release out there?  (NOT ONE PERSON TOOK THE TIME TO TELL ME ABOUT IT)!!!!!!!...hahahahahahahahahaha ...I simply put forth a satirical response that kinda back-fired...DOH!!!!! Bucky, yer one of the most open minded folks on this board and it is with humble apologies that I include this message just to make sure that there wasn't, or is a misunderstanding for anyone thinking that I thought YOU were bashing Springsteen...You weren't and you didn't. I just extended upon a topic and an artist...for the main reason stated...and also, as Spacel0rd has eluded to, the board is rather quiet of late and figured I'd do my part to at least originate one original post during my brief visit here yesterday. AND...for what it's worth, I would like to state here and now that I respect Spacl0rd's take on Bruce...it's his call and he's simply stating his opinion and has the ultimate right to do so...(we just need to work on him a little more....  ).....  Let's face it, I've went on waaaayyy to many times on Bon Jovi...am I right?...No, it's simply my opinion, and although I tend to see things through a different set of glasses at times, it doesn't make it so. ...Now, what's all this crap about KISS???... I heard that Springsteen sold the rights to "I Was Made For Loving You" way back in the late 70's and Gene sawed off part of his tongue in return for the favour...any truth to the rumours? ;D Thanks Kim |
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Post by jimmccormick3 on Jan 24, 2009 17:21:21 GMT -5
Never been a Springsteen fan, or a Kiss fan either for that matter.  I remember meeting this huge Springsteen fanatic in the late 70's. We used to talk about bands like Pat Travers, Robin Trower, Rush, Judas Priest, etc. on how they rocked so hard, & he'd always chime in about Springsteen, & no one had ever really listen to him in my group of friends. So, a few months later this guy has a keg & as soon as we stepped in the door he had to throw on Springsteen. Now, you got to realize here, I'm thinking Springsteen rocked as hard as the heavy metal bands I loved in those days (still do). Well, I can't tell you how underwhelmed I was, LOL! Now don't get me wrong, each to their own, & I don't go off on bashing any group unless a question like this is asked, & then I don't really bash (most cases out of respect to the bands devotees), but Springsteen just does not rock my roll. I find a lot of his music way to over produced, or should I say, way to dramatic using every instrument in the book (Born to Run immediately comes to mind). I do know he has less produced albums out, but I'm just soured, especially because he is such a critics darling. If it were not for the national music critic's & journalists who write for mags like "Rolling Stone," Playboy," etc. I do believe that his star would not be so big, or at least rose so fast, especially in the early years. Springsteen is truly a superstar created by critics who think the perfect rock star persona should have that classic fifties & early to mid sixties look & vibe. Lets call it the James Dean/Springsteen syndrome. OK, cool, but it got shoved down my eye retina's so much from reading music publications that my eyes ached to my ears, LOL. These same critics always attacked the bands I loved, so that did not help my liking of Springsteen either. But, when it comes down to it, Springsteen just don't rock hard enough for my tastes, then again I love Fusion Music & Steely Dan, but Springsteen does not even sound remotely close to those either. So in ending, I'll respect every bodies right to like or not like a band, but to carelessly bash a band just for the sake of bashing is wrong. Enough said. |
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Post by kim on Jan 24, 2009 20:02:10 GMT -5
Never been a Springsteen fan, or a Kiss fan either for that matter. I remember meeting this huge Springsteen fanatic in the late 70's. We used to talk about bands like Pat Travers, Robin Trower, Rush, Judas Priest, etc. on how they rocked so hard, & he'd always chime in about Springsteen, & no one had ever really listen to him in my group of friends. So, a few months later this guy has a keg & as soon as we stepped in the door he had to throw on Springsteen. Now, you got to realize here, I'm thinking Springsteen rocked as hard as the heavy metal bands I loved in those days (still do). Well, I can't tell you how underwhelmed I was, LOL! Now don't get me wrong, each to their own, & I don't go off on bashing any group unless a question like this is asked, & then I don't really bash (most cases out of respect to the bands devotees), but Springsteen just does not rock my roll. I find a lot of his music way to over produced, or should I say, way to dramatic using every instrument in the book (Born to Run immediately comes to mind). I do know he has less produced albums out, but I'm just soured, especially because he is such a critics darling. If it were not for the national music critic's & journalists who write for mags like "Rolling Stone," Playboy," etc. I do believe that his star would not be so big, or at least rose so fast, especially in the early years. Springsteen is truly a superstar created by critics who think the perfect rock star persona should have that classic fifties & early to mid sixties look & vibe. Lets call it the James Dean/Springsteen syndrome. OK, cool, but it got shoved down my eye retina's so much from reading music publications that my eyes ached to my ears, LOL. These same critics always attacked the bands I loved, so that did not help my liking of Springsteen either. But, when it comes down to it, Springsteen just don't rock hard enough for my tastes, then again I love Fusion Music & Steely Dan, but Springsteen does not even sound remotely close to those either. So in ending, I'll respect every bodies right to like or not like a band, but to carelessly bash a band just for the sake of bashing is wrong. Enough said. Yeah, but Jim... ya have to admit...with all that being said...especially without a break in the paragraph above...(*whew*)... "Waiting on A Sunny Day" surely must move ya to degree? It's a crankin' track...no? It sure is for me. Thanks Kim |
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Post by IRON BALLS on Jan 24, 2009 20:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by onering on Jan 24, 2009 21:01:24 GMT -5
Not many like the "Boss" here because they know his songs totally blow. When was his last good song (without mubbling)? "BORN TO RUN" ...1935, I rest my case. ;D "Dancing in the Dark" what a joke!!!   I'd rather hear Billy Joel, and that's not saying much either.  Thanks, you just validated this thread. |
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Post by Equinox on Jan 24, 2009 22:45:07 GMT -5
Not many like the "Boss" here because they know his songs totally blow. When was his last good song (without mubbling)? "BORN TO RUN" ...1935, I rest my case. ;D "Dancing in the Dark" what a joke!!! I'd rather hear Billy Joel, and that's not saying much either. I like Billy Joel too Pickle |
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Post by jimmccormick3 on Jan 25, 2009 11:22:57 GMT -5
Never been a Springsteen fan, or a Kiss fan either for that matter. I remember meeting this huge Springsteen fanatic in the late 70's. We used to talk about bands like Pat Travers, Robin Trower, Rush, Judas Priest, etc. on how they rocked so hard, & he'd always chime in about Springsteen, & no one had ever really listen to him in my group of friends. So, a few months later this guy has a keg & as soon as we stepped in the door he had to throw on Springsteen. Now, you got to realize here, I'm thinking Springsteen rocked as hard as the heavy metal bands I loved in those days (still do). Well, I can't tell you how underwhelmed I was, LOL! Now don't get me wrong, each to their own, & I don't go off on bashing any group unless a question like this is asked, & then I don't really bash (most cases out of respect to the bands devotees), but Springsteen just does not rock my roll. I find a lot of his music way to over produced, or should I say, way to dramatic using every instrument in the book (Born to Run immediately comes to mind). I do know he has less produced albums out, but I'm just soured, especially because he is such a critics darling. If it were not for the national music critic's & journalists who write for mags like "Rolling Stone," Playboy," etc. I do believe that his star would not be so big, or at least rose so fast, especially in the early years. Springsteen is truly a superstar created by critics who think the perfect rock star persona should have that classic fifties & early to mid sixties look & vibe. Lets call it the James Dean/Springsteen syndrome. OK, cool, but it got shoved down my eye retina's so much from reading music publications that my eyes ached to my ears, LOL. These same critics always attacked the bands I loved, so that did not help my liking of Springsteen either. But, when it comes down to it, Springsteen just don't rock hard enough for my tastes, then again I love Fusion Music & Steely Dan, but Springsteen does not even sound remotely close to those either. So in ending, I'll respect every bodies right to like or not like a band, but to carelessly bash a band just for the sake of bashing is wrong. Enough said. Yeah, but Jim... ya have to admit...with all that being said...especially without a break in the paragraph above...(*whew*)... "Waiting on A Sunny Day" surely must move ya to degree? It's a crankin' track...no? It sure is for me. Thanks Kim Sorry, no. |
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Post by Jesse on Jan 25, 2009 11:27:30 GMT -5
Basically what Jim said. Personally, I put Springsteen into the same class as artists like John Mellencamp and Tom Petty: artists that I might like better if they weren't shoved down my throat by the media and rabid fans. However, I CAN listen to Mellencamp and Petty in semi-small doses. Springsteen has a few decent songs, but mostly I just don't get it. People say he puts on a great live show and I don't doubt that for a moment.......but the same can be said for Blackfoot and I don't see anyone in the media singing their praises. |
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Post by jimmccormick3 on Jan 25, 2009 11:42:00 GMT -5
but the same can be said for Blackfoot and I don't see anyone in the media singing their praises. How true! |
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Post by IRON BALLS on Jan 25, 2009 13:31:48 GMT -5
Not many like the "Boss" here because they know his songs totally blow. When was his last good song (without mubbling)? "BORN TO RUN" ...1935, I rest my case. ;D "Dancing in the Dark" what a joke!!! I'd rather hear Billy Joel, and that's not saying much either. Thanks, you just validated this thread. My pleasure... Next? |
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Post by blackers45 on Jan 25, 2009 14:53:46 GMT -5
Both Springsteen and Joel reach the same audience, the hard workin' class down on their luck scenario. And it works' for them both. I'm not a big fan of either but have been to their shows and they are the best bang for your buck shows ever. Especially Bruce 3 1/2 hr. shows are the usual, anybody else in rock doin' that? |
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Post by sandi on Jan 26, 2009 15:38:16 GMT -5
Something tells me if i went to one of his 3 hour concerts I would be looking at my watch many many times. I respect your opinion, as I do everyone's on this board, but I don't think that you would find the time to look at your watch in one of his performances...the vast majority of people are not sitting at one of his shows. I know...been there...only 3 times, but that was almost 11 hours of standing on my feet, and not on the floor, but in the stands, sometimes at the very top of the arena, where there is no reason to stand, and just having a great time... Everyone should give him a try, at least once. Not a Bruce fan at all............many years ago, my best friend talked me into going with her...........saw him with the E street band and let me tell you, it was a great live show. One of the best live performances I've been to, and I don't even like his music If given the chance, I would go see him again in a heart beat. |
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Post by axisboldaslove on Jan 27, 2009 11:08:28 GMT -5
I think Bruce is amazing, and I love most of his material. For some reason, a lot of those in the hard rock/metal community hold a particular grudge against him.
I don't understand why - if you don't like him, don't listen! It reminds me of how hair metal weenies feel about Nirvana.
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(NOT ONE PERSON TOOK THE TIME TO TELL ME ABOUT IT)!!!!!!!...hahahahahahahahahaha
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