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Post by IRON BALLS on Dec 12, 2008 9:48:10 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse on Dec 12, 2008 12:05:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily say "suck", but I never understood what was so great about The Edge or Neil Young.......from a guitar playing perspective anyhow. So don't anyone start defending these guys by saying what great songs they've written or The Edge's innovative use of a fucking delay pedal, that's a different argument altogether.   |
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Post by spacel0rd on Dec 12, 2008 12:35:51 GMT -5
Yeah...there's nothing great about the Edge.
Neil Young...he has a certain "something"....Something i can't put my finger quite on. Passion, i think.
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Post by spacel0rd on Dec 12, 2008 12:39:35 GMT -5
Its too easy...but:
C.C. Deville blows. The whole "guitar sound" of Poison blows. It always sounded like they needed to turn their amps up on their albums. I have to struggle to even hear the guitar...but it wasnt worth the effort.
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Post by Jesse on Dec 12, 2008 12:59:25 GMT -5
Its too easy...but: C.C. Deville blows. The whole "guitar sound" of Poison blows. It always sounded like they needed to turn their amps up on their albums. I have to struggle to even hear the guitar...but it wasnt worth the effort. I've never gotten the slagging of CC Deville. Not saying he was some outstanding, overlooked guitar player, but he was no slouch either. Bobby Dall never did him any favors with his bass lines either. Let's face it: Jimmy Page and Pete Townsend were fairly average guitar players lifted up, even if only partially, by outstanding bass players and an outstanding rhythm section in general. DeVille never had that luxury in Poison. |
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Post by Donny Doom on Dec 12, 2008 20:21:37 GMT -5
My list will piss off some of you. But I don't care WTFE it is my opinion not yours.  These are my picks off the top of my head.
C.C. Deville of Poison
Neil Young
David Bryson of Counting Crows
Dean DeLeo of STP
Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
Gilby Clarke formally of Rock Star Supernova, Heart, Nancy Sinatra, Slash's Snakepit, & Guns N' Roses.
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Post by Trexx on Dec 12, 2008 20:44:20 GMT -5
Mick Mars is dismal in my opinion.
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Post by duojett71 on Dec 13, 2008 23:17:50 GMT -5
Its too easy...but: C.C. Deville blows. The whole "guitar sound" of Poison blows. It always sounded like they needed to turn their amps up on their albums. I have to struggle to even hear the guitar...but it wasnt worth the effort. I've never gotten the slagging of CC Deville. Not saying he was some outstanding, overlooked guitar player, but he was no slouch either. Bobby Dall never did him any favors with his bass lines either. Let's face it: Jimmy Page and Pete Townsend were fairly average guitar players lifted up, even if only partially, by outstanding bass players and an outstanding rhythm section in general. DeVille never had that luxury in Poison. Yeah I agree with this. If anything C.C. Deville was the was the one thing Poison had going for them. I don't think its any secret that I hate Poison....but I actually thought C.C. played with alot of attitude and balls. While he was not phenomenal, he did have some chops and was somewhat tasteful. I never had any problems with him as a player at all. He should have been in a better band. Some of the guitar players that I do think suck are: 1.Mick Mars-Not the worst I have ever heard, but hated his guitar sound and thought he was down right boring as a player. Plus if you read 'The Dirt' he actually has sort of an attitude about how he was a "real Guitar Player", which made me like him even less as a player 2.Robbie Roberston-sort of feel bad saying this because I do like him as an overall musician, but if you ever see "The Last Waltz" you sort of cringe when you watch him play. 3. Neil Young-Love alot of his music, but he should have left the soloing to these guys: Steven Stills, Danny Whitten, Frank Sampedro, Nils Loftgren, etc. 4. Vinny Vincent-He just sucked I will think of more later... |
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Post by duojett71 on Dec 13, 2008 23:24:52 GMT -5
My list will piss off some of you. But I don't care WTFE it is my opinion not yours. These are my picks off the top of my head.
C.C. Deville of Poison
Neil Young
David Bryson of Counting Crows
Dean DeLeo of STP
Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
Gilby Clarke formally of Rock Star Supernova, Heart, Nancy Sinatra, Slash's Snakepit, & Guns N' Roses. Just out of curiosity what is so bad about Gilby Clarke's guitar playing? For the most part he was a rhythm guy on most of the albums he played on, but he is a very capable lead player. I have heard some live footage from his solo tour back in the 90's where he is trading of with (Tracci Gunns I think) and he is actially damn good. Good vibrato, very ballsy, very tastefull player. Certainly he was a big step up from Izzy in GNR. |
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Post by rtbuck on Dec 14, 2008 4:08:54 GMT -5
I can't say if someone sucks because I'm no guitarist but I know what I Like & what my ears hear in a guitarist is all that matters.
I can listen to Brian James of the Damned & Lords of the New Church & think he's a guitar god & the same goes for Lenny Kaye of the Patti Smith Group where as someone else that isn't into that circle of music can say "He Sucks". Can I say Steve Shelski sucks because my ears say that the solo in "Monket Bars" by Coney Hatch is awful? How do I know that solo is awful? I'm sure fans think it's great so all the power to them & for all I know he's actually a phenominal classically trained guitarist. From what I heard Johnny Ramone was a great guitarist who could play all styles but we never actually heard anything except "1234!!!".
I can't say CC Deville sucks either & it doesn't matter because I'm pretty sure CC knows what he's doing.Hell,How many millions of albums did Poison sell?? I liked their first album & the first time I heard it I thought the riff on "Talk Dirty To Me" was heavilly influenced by one of my favorite guitarists of all time, Johnny Thunders of the NY Dolls & Heartbreakers.That riff sounded like a clean version of the Dolls "Personality Crisis" combined with The Heartbreakers "Get Off the Phone". I seen them twice in the 80's as an opening band & CC sounded fine but they opened up for Kiss in 2003 & I don't know if he was having a substance abuse problem at the time but he was so off that night I thought there was going to be a brawl onstage with the other members kicking his ass.
Edge, I could care less about,while I like U2 I could never see how he is looked at as a guitar god although many other people think he is.
I love Neil Young's sound & all I have to say is checkout "Cowgirl in the Sand"(studio) or "Like a Hurricane"(live)
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Post by Jesse on Dec 15, 2008 7:51:37 GMT -5
That's pretty much how I feel about him.
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Post by Jesse on Dec 15, 2008 7:58:30 GMT -5
My list will piss off some of you. But I don't care WTFE it is my opinion not yours. These are my picks off the top of my head.
C.C. Deville of Poison
Neil Young
David Bryson of Counting Crows
Dean DeLeo of STP
Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
Gilby Clarke formally of Rock Star Supernova, Heart, Nancy Sinatra, Slash's Snakepit, & Guns N' Roses. Just out of curiosity what is so bad about Gilby Clarke's guitar playing? For the most part he was a rhythm guy on most of the albums he played on, but he is a very capable lead player. I have heard some live footage from his solo tour back in the 90's where he is trading of with (Tracci Gunns I think) and he is actially damn good. Good vibrato, very ballsy, very tastefull player. Certainly he was a big step up from Izzy in GNR. I saw Gilby when he was in Heart, I actually met him before the show and was looking forward to hearing how he handled replacing Howard Leese. He wasn't bad, but fairly pedestrian. HUGE dissappointment after seeing Heart twice with Leese. Everything was close to the vest. He played "Magic Man" pretty much note for note and then handed off to the keyboard player for the end synth solos. When I saw them with Leese, Leese added his own flare to the licks originally played by Roger Fischer and said the hell with the synth solo and just let loose on guitar at the end. Leese used to do an amazing and original solo to "Crazy On You" that shit all over the original Roger Fischer solo, when I saw them with Clarke, they stopped the song short before any of the soloing. So, I'm not willing to say Clarke sucks, but he was certainly disappointing and maybe a tad overrated. |
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Post by Speedy on Dec 15, 2008 12:17:39 GMT -5
Leese used to do an amazing and original solo to "Crazy On You" that Sh*t all over the original Roger Fischer solo, Hmmmm....I'll have to say I cannot agree with that statement. HEART has NEVER been the same without Roger IMO. His style was so UNIQUE and cool. Anybody they have had playing since sounded like some bar band playing the tunes. I never really like BLACKMORE as a player. He has written some great stuff but his soloing is not memorab;e at all IMO. |
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Post by Donny Doom on Dec 16, 2008 17:43:25 GMT -5
My list will piss off some of you. But I don't care WTFE it is my opinion not yours. These are my picks off the top of my head.
C.C. Deville of Poison
Neil Young
David Bryson of Counting Crows
Dean DeLeo of STP
Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
Gilby Clarke formally of Rock Star Supernova, Heart, Nancy Sinatra, Slash's Snakepit, & Guns N' Roses. Just out of curiosity what is so bad about Gilby Clarke's guitar playing? For the most part he was a rhythm guy on most of the albums he played on, but he is a very capable lead player. I have heard some live footage from his solo tour back in the 90's where he is trading of with (Tracci Gunns I think) and he is actially damn good. Good vibrato, very ballsy, very tastefull player. Certainly he was a big step up from Izzy in GNR. |
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Post by duojett71 on Dec 17, 2008 1:23:04 GMT -5
Leese used to do an amazing and original solo to "Crazy On You" that Sh*t all over the original Roger Fischer solo, Hmmmm....I'll have to say I cannot agree with that statement. HEART has NEVER been the same without Roger IMO. His style was so UNIQUE and cool. Anybody they have had playing since sounded like some bar band playing the tunes. I never really like BLACKMORE as a player. He has written some great stuff but his soloing is not memorab;e at all IMO. Wow...bold statement. So the "Child In Time" , "Highway Star", "Smoke On The Water", "Stargazer", "Stone Cold", etc. solos are not memorable to you? I can pretty much hum most of those from memory(excpet the fast parts lol). |
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Post by duojett71 on Dec 17, 2008 1:26:36 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity what is so bad about Gilby Clarke's guitar playing? For the most part he was a rhythm guy on most of the albums he played on, but he is a very capable lead player. I have heard some live footage from his solo tour back in the 90's where he is trading of with (Tracci Gunns I think) and he is actially damn good. Good vibrato, very ballsy, very tastefull player. Certainly he was a big step up from Izzy in GNR. Wow, really..... you play guitar? I didn't realize there were others.... |
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Post by spacel0rd on Dec 17, 2008 8:05:50 GMT -5
Yngwie Malmsteen: Not my cup-of-tea
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Post by blackers45 on Dec 17, 2008 13:38:54 GMT -5
Wow! is right I think most of us over 40 to this day can remember those frenetic solos to most of the work Blackmore's done since 1970 and those songs are relavent 40 years later. |
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Post by Donny Doom on Dec 17, 2008 20:29:32 GMT -5
Hmmmm....I'll have to say I cannot agree with that statement. HEART has NEVER been the same without Roger IMO. His style was so UNIQUE and cool. Anybody they have had playing since sounded like some bar band playing the tunes. I never really like BLACKMORE as a player. He has written some great stuff but his soloing is not memorab;e at all IMO. Wow...bold statement. So the "Child In Time" , "Highway Star", "Smoke On The Water", "Stargazer", "Stone Cold", etc. solos are not memorable to you? I can pretty much hum most of those from memory(excpet the fast parts lol). |
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Post by kim on Dec 19, 2008 14:17:05 GMT -5
I don't play guitar or any other musical instrument as far as that goes... so with that in mind, I guess what I'm about to say is most likely worthless...however... Guitar, like drums, keyboards, bass, vocals, and what the hell...tubular bells...is pretty much all subjective to me in its inception, approach, delivery and eventually, acceptance as to what can be deemed good or bad? A lot of folks calling Blackmore "sloppy"...okay, then we also have Page being called "sloppy"...okay, then we have Malmsteen, Vai and Satriani being deemed as "too technical"...not sloppy, but too tight, no emotion. Who's in between? SRV?, Roy Orbison?...these folks are deceased and as much as I love them...should we criticize them?...or give them extra points because they are dead??? If so, should we start propping up guys like Clapton, Billy Gibbons...and what the hell Dusty Hill as well? When was the last time this board witnessed a thread such as "Billy Gibbons - Greatest Guitarist"? "Eric Clapton - Only Great Guitarist Surviving"? Honestly, I can't think of a guitarist that "sucks"...other than the 15 year old kid next door that THINKS he is the next EVH...  Now that sucks cuz everyone living in "Anytown, Planet Earth", has one. Only 1 out of a 100 will go on to at least play in front of his or her high school. Only 1 in a 1000 will go on to record an obscure album. Only one in a million will make a possible name for themselves in a commercial sense...only to fizzle out within 3 to 5 years...if they can last that long. To equate their greatness and contributions to musical history indeed needs to be considered, and if for a minute we deny an artist such as Blackmore because he doesn't consistently hit the 100% mark each and every time he picks up his axe of choice, seems to me, to be defeatist in the sense that we are just sitting back waiting to see them screw up or find fault with their natural, given talents as a musician, regardless of which genre of music they play or are willing to experiment with. If they are that bad, then why is it we aren't hearing more of the unknown greats that have yet had the chance to hit the market?...yeah I know, it's all about marketing and exposure. Now with all the influx of talented musicians on the internet, I guess we'll never get to hear the best...but just be exposed to a cacophony of artists hoping to be heard? We have had You-Tube around now for a number of years...and televised shows like American Idol and the like...why is it that we have yet to find a replacement for Jimi Hendrix? Not that Hendrix was the greatest...HOWEVER...in any given poll...which name is the at the top of the list each and every time? In my opinion, I have many favourite guitarists, and I'm sure that they suck, in a lot of peoples minds, however, you really can't dismiss them as talented artists in their own right? Lindsey Buckingham Francis Rossi Valdy John Fogerty... just to mention a few... ...these are guys that play a guitar...and in my mind play it good! Do they suck?...no way...I like it and I think their mastering of their instrument of choice is phenomenal! These are just some of the greats that have paid their dues, stuck it out and fortunately, have had the opportunity to make a name for themselves, by proving themselves with the talents that they have been given. It's funny when you think about groups like The Beatles or The Rolling Stones... Here we have arguably, 2 of the top groups ever known to mankind in the last ohhhh let's say 50 years. The Beatles has never been given credit for having the best "guitarist" unless you count the days back in the 70's when George Harrison actually made some of the polls...yet combined with all that goes into a group, made them a household name. No great guitars, no great drummer, and although the vocals were pretty darned good, not considered "the greatest"...yet, who were The Beatles...I'll leave that up to you. The Rolling Stones...am I wrong in saying that Keith Richards is the one considered to be the bands "guitar god"? To this day, does his name come up in terms of a "great guitarist"?...Mick is not the worlds best vocalist and the ever solid Charlie Watts on the cans has always been underrated in my opinion...for 40 FRIGGIN' Years!!!!!!!!!!...yet who ARE The Rolling Stones?...I'll leave that up to you. I have to go back to Blackmore. If this guy isn't worthy of at least some regard in terms of greatness...then I'm going to have to ask Bucky to send me a "burned copy" of "The Chipmunks", cuz it's obvious that I'm waaaaaaaaaay off base here and need to reorganize my humble music collection and ponder the reasons why I love the music that I do. ;D Thanks Kim |
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