Your opinion on why R&R would turn women off?

[bluecheer]

Hey guys,

I know you know your stuff when it comes to music, so I thought I would ask you this question. I've always wondered why women would be turned off by R&R. Why they always seem to favor pop singers instead of rock bands.


Your opinions please, thank you.

[Trexx]

Eh?
Woman throw themselves upon rock'n roll stars in groves.
ex: Gene Simmons has a fan website completely dedicated and created by ladies that want to bang him.
Your query is nuts.

[kim]

It's the exact opposite in my opinion.

Women aren't "turned off" by "r&r" music.
In fact, they embrace it.

The majority of women love rock and roll to the point where they are more open minded when it comes to the genre than we are, and in fact are quite the experts when it comes to what they like or don't like. They just don't go on and on about it like we do.

Although we don't get the opportunity to hear from her
much these days, I would suspect that FunkyCanuck would
have a few things to say about this and for what it's worth,
she sure seems to know what "rock and roll" is all about,
and most importantly, what truly floats her boat when it comes
to music...ergo, she would most likely be able to tell the majority
of us just what music is all about to begin with on levels that
us "guys" are capable of understanding.

Think about it Blue...as Trexx mentioned, Gene Simmons as an example, has a site dedicated to him and the group no less due
to the bleedin' obvious, but is yet just another part of music that
most likely, us guys will never fully comprehend.

However, if you put yourself in Genes' shoes, and do what he does, does it not make sense that KISS and Co. are catering
to both of the sexes, just on different levels?

My wifes sister is a prime example. Loves Bon Jovi.
Yeah, probably a sexual thing...but one that has lasted since
BJ's inception. It's the music combined with the image as well
that has kept the flame alive and it appears that the affair has
lasted for some almost 30 years for her.

My wife is no exception. She has the capacity to embrace
the "new music" of the day and it surprises me to hear her
ask me to download some of the funkiest shit going!
Yet, if were to ask her, she'd be the first one to admit that the
opening chords to Smoke on The Water truly is a classic!!!

I honestly believe that women have a much broader
acceptance when it comes to music and they are capable
of enjoying it just as much as we do...even moreso because
of their unique range of emotions.

You see, it's a bonus for the gals, because they get the best
of both worlds when it comes to music.
For the women, it's great music performed by someone that
may, or may not entice them on a sexual level.

For us, it's great music that lifts our spirits and incites a level
of power and self confidence in us, that ultimately finds us wishing it was "us" up there doing what our musical heroes are doing on stage to attract the females in the first place.

Seriously, the last time you played "air guitar" to
AC/DC's "Thunderstruck"........who are you playing music to
in your mind?......the boy next door?.... ;D

Oh yeah, "us guys" like to talk a good story...but when it
comes right down to it, we all secretly harbour a soft spot for
some of the pop stuff as well because there is music out there
now and in the past that tugs at our emotional needs and we
do in fact relate to them when listening to it....on our own terms.
We just don't like to advertise it as much now do we?

Women love rock and roll and that's why we have, and have
had, sooooo many great female artists. They GET IT, just as much as we do!...(maybe even more)?
Need proof?...check out footage of the original Woodstock
gig.........nuff said............

Good question Blue...........

Thanks
Kim

[Jesse]

I'm going to pull a Newt Gingrich here and choose to attack the premise of your question rather than answer it. Women MADE Rock'n Roll! It wasn't guys falling on there knees with their hands clenched over their hearts worshipping Elvis. It wasn't guys screaming at the tops of their lungs so loud as to drown out the PA system at Beatles' concerts. The guys dancing on American bandstand were only horny and trying to get laid. Look closely at crowd pictures from Woodstock and you'll see topless women staring at the stage and ten to 15 men staring at the topless woman! I have been to many concerts of all styles of Rock and Country and I'd say it was a damn near even split between the sexes at all of them.....and it's tough to tell who dragged who to the show. Shit, I saw Marshall Tucker Band last summer. Old, fat, Southern jam band if there ever was one, right? Only male musicians and drunk rednecks paying for those tickets, right? WRONG. Front row was littered with dancing ladies who probably weren't even a sperm in their father's ballsack the last time Marshall Tucker cracked the top 40. And they were singing along to EVERY song too. Not like they just heard "Can't You See" on Classic Rock radio and decided to drop by. I could give plenty of other anecdotes, but believe me: if women dig Marshall Tucker Band, they're into ANY other Classic Rocker you can name.

[Trexx]

Feb 4, 2012 16:53:53 GMT -5 Jesse said:

I'm going to pull a Newt Gingrich here and choose to attack the premise of your question rather than answer it. Women MADE Rock'n Roll! It wasn't guys falling on there knees with their hands clenched over their hearts worshipping Elvis. It wasn't guys screaming at the tops of their lungs so loud as to drown out the PA system at Beatles' concerts. The guys dancing on American bandstand were only horny and trying to get laid. Look closely at crowd pictures from Woodstock and you'll see topless women staring at the stage and ten to 15 men staring at the topless woman! I have been to many concerts of all styles of Rock and Country and I'd say it was a damn near even split between the sexes at all of them.....and it's tough to tell who dragged who to the show. Shit, I saw Marshall Tucker Band last summer. Old, fat, Southern jam band if there ever was one, right? Only male musicians and drunk rednecks paying for those tickets, right? WRONG. Front row was littered with dancing ladies who probably weren't even a sperm in their father's ballsack the last time Marshall Tucker cracked the top 40. And they were singing along to EVERY song too. Not like they just heard "Can't You See" on Classic Rock radio and decided to drop by. I could give plenty of other anecdotes, but believe me: if women dig Marshall Tucker Band, they're into ANY other Classic Rocker you can name.

Blam-O! Well said my Southern Fried, Rockin' Roll Bud!

[bluecheer]

You guys missed my point incredibly.

Women are sure more attracted to pop bands than rock n roll bands.

[Jesse]

Feb 6, 2012 14:35:57 GMT -5 bluecheer said:

You guys missed my point incredibly.

Women are sure more attracted to pop bands than rock n roll bands.

I didn't miss your point, I think you are WRONG!

[bluecheer]

Feb 6, 2012 19:22:27 GMT -5 Jesse said:

Feb 6, 2012 14:35:57 GMT -5 bluecheer said:

You guys missed my point incredibly.

Women are sure more attracted to pop bands than rock n roll bands.

I didn't miss your point, I think you are WRONG!

Ok let me change my question a little bit.

Why would a woman be turned off by Rock N Roll?

[Pete]

Rock is often very masculine and maybe a woman could perceive it to be possibly misogynistic and banal.

[spacel0rd]

I know a lot of girls who like rock.

But if you to a club and watch the dance floor, it’s covered with young girls dancing to R&B and Rap. And you just know, if the D.J. put a Ted Nugent song on, the club would clear out before the first solo of “Stranglehold” started.
And we all know there are trendy clubs out the ass…but only a handful of Rock clubs around. And please don’t tell me there are 50 Rock Clubs in your neighborhood. A dive bar with a jukebox containing rock songs isn’t a “rock club.”

So, I believe Blue Cheer is asking in so many words…”Why is this?” Why don’t you hear rock in clubs? Why wouldn’t these drunk, young girls get loud and crazy if a DJ played “Toys in the Attic?” Or even something newer like Avenged Sevenfold? A DJ might…MIGHT get away with slipping in “You Shook Me All Night Long” or a lame-ass Nickelback song.

Why were girls goo-goo over Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain and Chris Cornell in the 90s? Why were girls in the 80s all goo-goo for hair metal? Why were girls in the 70s all goo-goo for Robert Plant and Steven Tyler? Why were girls in the 60s all goo-goo for the Beatles? Why were they all goo-goo for Elvis in the 50s?
Why now, are girls all goo-goo for R&B/Rap/Pop stars? I mean…just LOOK at Billboard’s Top 40 week after week for the last 15 years. Not only have I not heard the songs, I’VE NEVER HEARD OF THE ARTISTS! The only time a guitar gets into the top 40 is when it’s from a country act, or Nickehack.

So, why now?
I really don’t know.

Maybe it’s as simple as the people at the club DO like rock…but they just don’t want to hear it right then, in a club. Time and place…ya know?
Or maybe, we are just lacking the right “rock gods” at the moment. Maybe the rock world could use a good ole front man that the girls would go nuts over. All these front men of today are too damn angry to be “sexy” to most girls. And all the "sexy" ones form the past are too damn old.

Also, music has gotten harder, you know? Poison was considered metal in the day…but it was “fun” and “danceable.” Now, metal bands are much harder. Ever try dancing to a Five Finger Death Punch song? And all these post grunge/nu metal dudes are freakin’ ugly. There are no more pretty boys out there to lead a band. And girls want a pretty boy.

[bluecheer]

Feb 7, 2012 14:26:49 GMT -5 spacel0rd said:

I know a lot of girls who like rock.

But if you to a club and watch the dance floor, it’s covered with young girls dancing to R&B and Rap. And you just know, if the D.J. put a Ted Nugent song on, the club would clear out before the first solo of “Stranglehold” started.
And we all know there are trendy clubs out the ass…but only a handful of Rock clubs around. And please don’t tell me there are 50 Rock Clubs in your neighborhood. A dive bar with a jukebox containing rock songs isn’t a “rock club.”

So, I believe Blue Cheer is asking in so many words…”Why is this?” Why don’t you hear rock in clubs? Why wouldn’t these drunk, young girls get loud and crazy if a DJ played “Toys in the Attic?” Or even something newer like Avenged Sevenfold? A DJ might…MIGHT get away with slipping in “You Shook Me All Night Long” or a lame-ass Nickelback song.

Why were girls goo-goo over Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain and Chris Cornell in the 90s? Why were girls in the 80s all goo-goo for hair metal? Why were girls in the 70s all goo-goo for Robert Plant and Steven Tyler? Why were girls in the 60s all goo-goo for the Beatles? Why were they all goo-goo for Elvis in the 50s?
Why now, are girls all goo-goo for R&B/Rap/Pop stars? I mean…just LOOK at Billboard’s Top 40 week after week for the last 15 years. Not only have I not heard the songs, I’VE NEVER HEARD OF THE ARTISTS! The only time a guitar gets into the top 40 is when it’s from a country act, or Nickehack.

So, why now?
I really don’t know.

Maybe it’s as simple as the people at the club DO like rock…but they just don’t want to hear it right then, in a club. Time and place…ya know?
Or maybe, we are just lacking the right “rock gods” at the moment. Maybe the rock world could use a good ole front man that the girls would go nuts over. All these front men of today are too damn angry to be “sexy” to most girls. And all the "sexy" ones form the past are too damn old.

Also, music has gotten harder, you know? Poison was considered metal in the day…but it was “fun” and “danceable.” Now, metal bands are much harder. Ever try dancing to a Five Finger Death Punch song? And all these post grunge/nu metal dudes are freakin’ ugly. There are no more pretty boys out there to lead a band. And girls want a pretty boy.

Probably comes down to the fact that R&R back in the day was danceable, and the people making the music were young. Early 20's most of the time.

Look at bands like poison. They made danceable tunes that were guitar driven, and chicks loved them. They loved the music they could dance to and they loved the guys in the band, cause they were in the same age group as them.

Today the rock bands are too heavy for a lot of women. The pretty girls are not going to want to dance to a band like Five Finger Death Punch.

Glam is huge still overseas in countries like Finland. Young girls love it over there. Looks like we are just in the wrong country right now to witness girls dancing to rock n roll.

[Jesse]

I think the dancablilty thing is part of it. As is the time and place. Women go to bars and clubs to dance, NOT to raise their fist and sing along to Iron Maiden or smoke pot and listen to Pink Floyd. That said, it doesn't mean women in general DON"T like Iron Maiden or Pink Floyd, just that, in their opinion, a bar or club on friday or Saturday night is not the time or place for that sort of music.

A local bar I used to frequent had a really hot, young bartender who would pump the jukebox full of dance tunes every night she worked. As soon as her dance shit was done, I'd throw in about $20 into the jukebox and play hard-hitting Rock'n Roll the rest of the night. I found out that as long as it was somewhat dancable, she loved it! For instance, she LOVED when I played Molly Hatchet's "Bloody Reunion", but hated "Beatin' The Odds" by the same version of Molly Hatchet. I think it's all about dancability, sometimes, but that doesn't mean women ONLY like Dance music.

[Trexx]

I see, I see.

Perhaps things like Rikki has mentioned before. Such as when aged and decrepid singers hobble out on stage with a walker and/or shockingly huge beer gut hanging over their leather pants and stuff like that?!?!

Or maybe if they come out bouncing off the walls 'cause they just shot up or something. Then, they proceed to shudder, go pale, barf profusely then pass out and collapse into a puddle of their piss and vomit!!?!

And again, maybe if you get out of work early, fight traffic to make it to the venue and the lead singer doesn't show up for two hours after the scheduled time. Then a riot or two is quelled and the show goes for a fraction of the time because of the late start. Moreover, the next day you read how the singer was late for the reason that he assaulted his girlfriend by smacking her in the head with a wine bottle and the snafu with bail and other shenanigans...!?!?

Those types of things are quite possibly a turn off for women. I'd think it wasn't so cool either, actually.

;D

[snakesandladders]

My GF loves HM and Doom :_)

[Trexx]

Feb 11, 2012 10:09:11 GMT -5 snakesandladders said:

My GF loves HM and Doom :_)

HA!
Cool!

[Speedy]

Being a rock performer for at least 30 years I can tell you women LOVE rock music. The girls still hang all over the fat, 40 something man I am. However SOME "r&r" is NOT to their liking....just like there is some that men do not really care for. These are ALL generalizations in the end, and there are ALWAYS exceptions.

Girls love to dance. If the song is undanceable forget it. That leaves out a LOT of metal.

Fierce or violent imagery turns women off. It may be a self preservation thing or a fear thing but men looking angry and raising their fists just disturbs women. Just like Steve Perry acting all faggy disturbs men. I spent years working in mental health and the truth is even though they WILL deny it openly, in therapy women fear men and any signals that remind them of this possible violence keeps them stressed. Therefore metal and similar male dominated music is stressful rather then enjoyable for them. Even though rock shows are "safe" the testosterone in the air just makes them uncomfortable. It's true.

Women are mentally set up to seek stability. R&R is all about being UNSTABLE and freedom. That's why they prefer love songs to songs of power and achievment. Most heavy rock is about banging some unidentified chick or conquering some sort of unseen force. Girls in general are not sluts and certainly don't relate to getting "banged" and in general do NOT dream of conquering the forces of evil to show everyone how great they are.

[Trexx]

Feb 12, 2012 14:22:08 GMT -5 Speedy said:

Being a rock performer for at least 30 years I can tell you women LOVE rock music. The girls still hang all over the fat, 40 something man I am. However SOME "r&r" is NOT to their liking....just like there is some that men do not really care for. These are ALL generalizations in the end, and there are ALWAYS exceptions.

Girls love to dance. If the song is undanceable forget it. That leaves out a LOT of metal.

Fierce or violent imagery turns women off. It may be a self preservation thing or a fear thing but men looking angry and raising their fists just disturbs women. Just like Steve Perry acting all faggy disturbs men. I spent years working in mental health and the truth is even though they WILL deny it openly, in therapy women fear men and any signals that remind them of this possible violence keeps them stressed. Therefore metal and similar male dominated music is stressful rather then enjoyable for them. Even though rock shows are "safe" the testosterone in the air just makes them uncomfortable. It's true.

Women are mentally set up to seek stability. R&R is all about being UNSTABLE and freedom. That's why they prefer love songs to songs of power and achievment. Most heavy rock is about banging some unidentified chick or conquering some sort of unseen force. Girls in general are not sluts and certainly don't relate to getting "banged" and in general do NOT dream of conquering the forces of evil to show everyone how great they are.

There's a science to it, I knew it!