Why has the average person forgotten about music?

[bluecheer]

Let me share my feelings with you all, since I respect your opinions and I really enjoy discussing music on here with each and every one of you. You guys know music and I use this board alot of times as a place where I can ask questions and hopefully get some answers. Which normally happens and I respect and appreciate each and every one of them.

Why is it that when I walk into a place that has a jukebox, I find myself being the only person in the whole place that plays songs such as Child in Time by Deep Purple, or some rare track off of Motley Crue's Too Fast for Love, such as Starry Eyes? I find myself always being the only one who ever plays the Warrior by Wishbone Ash, or a song from Aerosmith that is not from the 90's, but from the 70's such as Seasons of Wither or Rats in the Cellar. If I play Cheap Trick its not "I want you to love me" like so many others play, but I choose instead to play "Big Eyes."

I think you get my point, so if you could explain why this is , I would really appreciate it.

[Pete]

I think the people on this board are the exception . Most people don't care about deep cuts. Most people just want to hear the songs they know and are familiar with. Your average person doesn't listen to music for hours and hours a day like us. We are sick of Shook Me All Night Long, Dude Looks Like A Lady, Photograph, Jump etc. They just want to hear what they know and are familiar with and have a good time. I'm just happy if I hear some rock when I'm in a bar or club.

[bluecheer]

Apr 4, 2011 11:45:23 GMT -5 Pete said:

I think the people on this board are the exception . Most people don't care about deep cuts. Most people just want to hear the songs they know and are familiar with. Your average person doesn't listen to music for hours and hours a day like us. We are sick of Shook Me All Night Long, Dude Looks Like A Lady, Photograph, Jump etc. They just want to hear what they know and are familiar with and have a good time. I'm just happy if I hear some rock when I'm in a bar or club.

So basically what you are saying is that the average person doesn't know the deep cuts and never have heard them before like we have? I know that sounds like a stupid question but it amazes me if that is the case. I mean how much effort does it really take to listen to albums all the way through? If you do this you find these songs and realize that some are better than the "hits."

[snakesandladders]

The key to the answer here methinx is in the word you used....."average"......you shouldn't be "average" when you listen to rock

[spacel0rd]

I think you should wrap up all 122 of your threads that begins with "Why do...?" with one simple question:
Why Do People Suck?

This will also sum up all FUTURE threads you create that begin with "Why do...?"

[kim]

Apr 4, 2011 10:59:32 GMT -5 bluecheer said:

Let me share my feelings with you all, since I respect your opinions and I really enjoy discussing music on here with each and every one of you. You guys know music and I use this board alot of times as a place where I can ask questions and hopefully get some answers. Which normally happens and I respect and appreciate each and every one of them.

Why is it that when I walk into a place that has a jukebox, I find myself being the only person in the whole place that plays songs such as Child in Time by Deep Purple, or some rare track off of Motley Crue's Too Fast for Love, such as Starry Eyes? I find myself always being the only one who ever plays the Warrior by Wishbone Ash, or a song from Aerosmith that is not from the 90's, but from the 70's such as Seasons of Wither or Rats in the Cellar. If I play Cheap Trick its not "I want you to love me" like so many others play, but I choose instead to play "Big Eyes."

I think you get my point, so if you could explain why this is , I would really appreciate it.

First off...I have to say, I was rather impressed with ALL of the responses to your post Blue...WAIT!...better said, I was really impressed!...haha.

You do raise a good question, and I for one won't take that away from you...but I do have to admit to falling off my chair in laughter in agreement with Spacel0rd's response.......maybe it was the mood I was in at the moment?...but I can relate to Jaime and the point that he makes...hahahaha.

Pete pretty much nails it and Snakes backs it up in his own terms and yet comes to the same conclusion...one that pretty much defines the vast majority of the members here.

For the most part, I have to say that questioning the folks here on the "bleedin' obvious" can be redundant to some degree
and therefore may lead to an otherwise stark response.
No harm or foul intended on anyone's part here I would think Blue.

Anyway, and this is just my humble take on your great question...but I can't recall the last time I walked into any establishment that first of all, housed a "Juke Box".

The early 90's was the time that I last came across one of these
beasts from the past, and even then, damned if I could find
Purple's "Child in Time" or even Genesis' "Abacab".

I'd be in my glory should I ever find my way into this gateway to the past. The best that I can hope for these days is to hear the "streaming" muzac being piped through the washroom at the local Kelsey's Restaurant, and actually finding myself surprised to hear Toto's "Rosanna" before I hit the flush handle. Forget the 70's where I live...ain't gonna happen.

I have to say this though Blue, you are a trooper if you actually can find a spot that has a juke box, and I'll give you bonus points for finding one that has a selection on it such as "Big Eyes"!

Please send along the address to me!...of the establishment where this actually exists...because I want to put it onto my travel itinerary. Worth the trip in itself, because next to you, I'd be the second person putting a "nickel" in to hear "Big Eyes" myself!

Although I don't get out as much as I used to, and living in Northern Ontario here, I'll be honest in admitting that there sure as hell is not a lot of diversity when it comes to music in a public venue, so the days of expecting to hear anything in the way of "deeper cuts" have long since passed...simply put because it's so much easier for any venue, of any size, or calibre, to go with the flow and stay with the tried and true...which boils down to the dreaded "Top 40" of the day.

THAT'S why all of us are here! That's why we can all relate to the shortcomings of our given locales. That's why we share our concerns. That's why we compare new to old. That's why we look towards hearing from the people that have been a part of this site for many years. That's why we still maintain an open mind. That's why we still have conversations comparing old with new.

Now, for what it's worth...and hopefully, I can answer a burning
question for you that you seem to have been asking for quite some time....................

You were simply born in the wrong era!
No problem!
You have passed the audition!
You are a classic rocker at heart!
You love good music!...especially the older stuff!
Welcome to the club...We feel the same way.
No need to question your tastes, your needs, or your take on the classics...we all understand.

Keep in mind, we also have a great number of members that understand that of the older members here, yet have the ability and open mind to further it on towards the newer music of the day.

Keep asking the burning questions, but ask them with a purpose, not to just generate a response, back it up further with what YOU FIRMLY believe in...throw us all a bone to at least chew on and relate to.

As I mentioned some time ago, I, for one, feel like a lab rat in some bizarre, yet purposefull experiment in regards to a possible thesis outcome here when I respond to the questions that you pose for the most part.

Don't get mw wrong, I love your topics...but it seems to be directed as a "one way" presentation?
Maybe it's just me?

If this IS all part of a grand thesis...all I can say is...
I sure as hell hope that WE have all passed the audition!

Now, my question to you is this..........

Why do you like "BIG EYE'S" compared to "I WANT YOU TO WANT ME"?...................... THAT's a good question!!!

Please discuss.
;D

Thanks
Kim

[Jesse]

Uh........ .....what Kim said.

[spankymadoo]

There are music "fans" who buy the albums and know the deep cuts, and generally support the artists and there are music "fans" who just like having background music in their lives. The ones who want the background music put on the radio and listen to whatever they are selling. True music fans hear the song, decide "hey I gotta get that", and buy the album to see what else the artist is capable of. Sometimes you find a true gem....

[kim]

Apr 9, 2011 9:27:46 GMT -5 spankymadoo said:

There are music "fans" who buy the albums and know the deep cuts, and generally support the artists and there are music "fans" who just like having background music in their lives. The ones who want the background music put on the radio and listen to whatever they are selling. True music fans hear the song, decide "hey I gotta get that", and buy the album to see what else the artist is capable of. Sometimes you find a true gem....

Excellent point Spanky!...
...and if I can extend upon that point... ;D

I recently purchased The Beatles box set. Yep, I bit the
bullet and thought, why the hell not? I've been reading the Lennon and McCartney bios as of late, and the tomes have intrigued me to do so, due to the in depth discussions regarding their music as a whole and how it came to be.

Now, in the last couple of weeks, I've been having a blast,
discovering these long forgotten gems.

I was one of those that pretty much held court knowing that they were genious's due to to their number one hits and greatest compilations.
Now however, I am learning more about the entire depth that
the fab four were capable of.

Call me crazy, but when I listen to a track from their first release such as "Misery", I am totally stymied by their sheer talent and the fact that somehow, someway, I was never exposed to such releases...or "non single" releases as it were.

This is what music is all about for me, as I'm sure it is for the
vast number of fans that Spanky has mentioned...
Some prefer to have it as "background" music, others, such as myself, take great pride and find thorough enjoyment seeking
out the gems from days past.

Not to go on a Beatles tangent, but I would recommend anyone that has a hankering for the simpler times, and yet great song writing and harmonies that this group was famous for, should seriously revisit this debut album. You won't be disapponted.
Pure gold...all the way through.

One other point I'd like to make is this...
Over the last number of years, I find myself being tuned into
some of the lesser releases, such as music from movies, used as trailers whilst the credits go up.
I've come a cross a number of them, and find myself waiting until the end of the credits, just to find out the name of the track and artist.

Now that's a far cry from listening to Top 40 on the radio in my humble opinion. Yet, there you go...gems abound.

If I can just find that little ditty at the end of Bronson's "Hard Times", I'd be a happy camper.

Here's the real kicker, and although I have relayed my feelings in the past on this subject, I don't mind repeating myself and giving that horse yet another good kick.......
It's all because of you great folks here on this and that other forum that turned me into the music person that I am today.

All of you!, Each and every one of you!...opened my eyes up beyond their widest ability, and I can't thank you's all enough for that.

To hell with top 40, I'm with you guys all the way!

Thanks
Kim

[FunkyCanuck]

I love Big Eyes! I hear you Blue Cheer. I'm like the rest on this board and it's probably why we gather here to talk about music, since nobody else in our real lives will...unless it's my dad. He's like me and the man takes long drives, sometimes to other towns just to enjoy his tunes.

[bluecheer]

Kim, I will answer your question about Big Eyes. Reason why I like the song more than I want you to want me is because its a deep cut and not overplayed. I mean its a better song in my opinion. I want you to want me is just way too poppy for my taste also. If you have noticed, I'm not too fond of pop songs. Especially ones by bands who I know have better material out there to hear. But instead, the radio plays their pop shit and it drives me nuts. I also find that early Beatles pop stuff is played more on the radio than the stuff that came out later in their career. I firmly believe that is a shame.

Also I have a very big pet peeve when a deep cut or just a flat out kick ass classic tune from the 70's, such as something that you would find on Get your Wings or Rocks by Aerosmith is put on the Jukebox, and you get no reaction from the bar partrons or bartenders about it. But then someone goes up there and puts on a song that is currently in the top 40 , and the bartender and some person from the bar start singing along to it, and acknowledging it. I mean wtf is wrong with people nowdays Kim?

P.S. Over here in the states bars nowdays have internet jukeboxes. You can find everything and anything on them. They are really great things to have. I just wanted to clear that up with you also and answer your question on where I find a juke box in todays world.

[Trexx]

A:

1. 'Cause they listen to too much day-time radio talk shows
2. 'Cause they're barracaded within their gated communities waiting for the U.N. invasion.
3. 'Cause they're spending too much of their earnings on ammo.
4. 'Cause they've got deep pangs of guilt from all the debauchery from their youth and cringe with the reminders of the wild days brought on with rock'n roll.