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Post by Jesse on Oct 19, 2009 6:25:48 GMT -5
We've had numerous discussions on this board about overrated bands, vocalists and guitarists. How about drummers who aren't nearly as good as we've been led to believe? I have 3 in mind, but I'll see what others think before tipping my hand.  |
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Post by cozyal on Oct 19, 2009 11:17:26 GMT -5
LOL Jesse ...! Don't know how much I'll be drawn on naming culprits ..., but my fav drummers are as follows - With the obvious one first! Cozy Powell (RIP) - All round top guy, he was the total entertainer as a drummer and great guy to talk to face to face. Often seen as mercenary in his actions, jumping all over the place, but always so passionate in all he did!
I got to see him live with Rainbow, Whitesnake & M.S.G.
Wish I'd seen him with Sabbath (Tony Iommi Band I should say!), but never did.
Brian Downey - With Thin Lizzy, great talent ..., yet due to many rock fans not buying into the Lizzy legend back in the day he was more often overlooked.
Now jamming with his own low key project in Dublin, along with drum classes, when not doing the Gary Moore blues band 'thingy.'
Always loved catching him with Lizzy.
Neil Peart - Simply because his talent is clearly immense and seriously on technical ability I still don't believe anyone can match him, although some come close.
Carl Palmer - His playing astonishes me put simply, as he plays holding the sticks military style & how anyone can do that AND play the kit the way he does, is something else!
Jeff Porcaro (RIP) - Another absolute talent, much missed who I was fortunate enough to see on Toto's Seventh One tour at Hammy O back in the day.
Wish I'd got to see Toto more back then, but they rarely played the UK, like so many AOR / Hard rockin' bands.
Simon Phillips - Seriously was the only man for the Toto job in my mind & I've seen him play with them here 3 times. Excellent!
Love so much of his session stuff too!
Kelly Keagy - A good friend, a great drummer who sing fantastic too! Great perosnality, a good guy in rock!
Totally jams as singer vocalist in hard rockin' Night Ranger!OK ... That's my favorites ... That's all I'm saying for now, although - & this will piss people off! LOL! - Mike Portnoy for all his talent - Which I do recognise - is a complete dick! There I said it! The guy constantly spits out huge amounts of flemmy gob "at" his bandmates, onto the stage in front of his drum riser so anyone walking by could slip & break something and the that would screw up Dream Theater big time! What a bloody loser! If he likes to spit so damn much why not get yourself a bucket next to you! Al  |
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Post by spacel0rd on Oct 19, 2009 11:26:19 GMT -5
Max Weinberg
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Post by blackers45 on Oct 20, 2009 10:53:49 GMT -5
Neil Peart- I think he overplays,he's just to busy at the expense of the song and the guitar parts become non existant because he just always playing. My favorite was Cozy Powell played hard if the music called for it but was also a very proper drummer as witnessed on his solo albums.  |
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Post by DrJJones on Oct 20, 2009 17:17:46 GMT -5
Well definately the worst drummer for cover versions at least is Lars Ulrich. Matallica's 'attacks' on classic Budgie & Diamond Head songs just shows up the guy's lack of talent. Their version of Budgie's 'Breadfan' is a travesty! |
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Post by Jesse on Oct 21, 2009 7:16:31 GMT -5
Well definately the worst drummer for cover versions at least is Lars Ulrich. Matallica's 'attacks' on classic Budgie & Diamond Head songs just shows up the guy's lack of talent. Their version of Budgie's 'Breadfan' is a travesty! Ulrich was one of the three I had in mind with this thread. Though, for his part, I think even he will admit he sucks. However, I recall back in High School everyone seemed to think he was great (including me) and he was winning readers choice polls left and right. In retrospect, the guy is a one-trick-pony. It's a decent trick, but c'mon, Nicko McBain (Iron Maiden), Kirk Arrington (Metal Church), Ingo Schwictenberg (Helloween) and anyone who's ever been in Megadeth play circles around ol' Lars. |
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Post by onering on Oct 22, 2009 18:04:42 GMT -5
Gotta respectfully disagree with you there. If anything I feel he is way underrated, and not just because I am a Springsteen fan. His work from the late 70's and early 80's is impressive IMO. Lots of creative fills and grooves. Admittedly, I believe he relies more on power than finesse now, but I still think he is quite good. |
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Post by Donny Doom on Oct 23, 2009 14:00:25 GMT -5
John Bonham
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Post by DrJJones on Oct 24, 2009 17:22:38 GMT -5
[quote author=jesse board=TALK thread=14396 post=98439 time=1256127391Ulrich was one of the three I had in mind with this thread. Though, for his part, I think even he will admit he sucks. However, I recall back in High School everyone seemed to think he was great (including me) and he was winning readers choice polls left and right. In retrospect, the guy is a one-trick-pony. It's a decent trick, but c'mon, Nicko McBain (Iron Maiden), Kirk Arrington (Metal Church), Ingo Schwictenberg (Helloween) and anyone who's ever been in Megadeth play circles around ol' Lars. [/quote] Yeah, I understand what you mean. Around the time of 'Master Of Puppets' the UK was basically Mettalimad, whereas everything the band did was revered. I was never a massive fan, but they were good at what they did but it seems as though Ulrich was only in the band because it was, in essence HIS band. I never ever though thought he was that great but it was only when they started to cover other peoples songs that I truly realised it. The band completely miss out the acoustic middle section of 'Breadfan', they ruined 'Whiskey In The Jar', totally screwed up The Anti No-where League's 'So What' & ballsed up every Diamond Head song they attempted. Ulrich is also a MASSIVE Status Quo fan. I only hope they NEVER attempt one of theirs. |
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Post by ProgRocks on Oct 28, 2009 6:32:49 GMT -5
Neil Peart- I think he overplays,he's just to busy at the expense of the song and the guitar parts become non existant because he just always playing. I have to respectfully disagree, especially with regard to his later playing (1980-present). I think his playing is a nice compliment to the songs, the lyrical structure, and the overall feel of the music. He did overplay a bit early in Rush's career (By-Tor and the Snow Dog is a great example), but he's much more in tune with the songs now and plays to fit them. Mark |
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Post by Jesse on Oct 28, 2009 7:13:53 GMT -5
Bonham is my #2. Now let me preface this by saying that I am NOT a drummer and most drummers I know think Bonham is awesome and no drummer I've ever played with ever wanted to play a Zeppelin tune because they felt they were "unworthy" to play Bonham's parts. BUT......I don't get it. He's considered by many to be the best drummer of all-time, yet I don't see him as even being the best of his era. Neil Peart, Keith Moon, Phil Erhardt (Kansas), Ian Paice (Deep Purple) are all, at least AS good as Bonham IMO. And, having been a huge Zeppelin fan in High School, I've heard the catalog numerous times and I don't see what's so tough about the drum parts on roughly 90% of their material. Of course, I don't/can't play drums, so maybe I'm just an idiot.  |
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Post by rocknut on Oct 30, 2009 6:59:29 GMT -5
Simon Phillips...............just no feel. At ALL.
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Post by kim on Oct 31, 2009 12:29:37 GMT -5
Simon Phillips...............just no feel. At ALL. STEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Thanks Kim |
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Post by kim on Oct 31, 2009 13:07:45 GMT -5
Bonham is my #2. Now let me preface this by saying that I am NOT a drummer and most drummers I know think Bonham is awesome and no drummer I've ever played with ever wanted to play a Zeppelin tune because they felt they were "unworthy" to play Bonham's parts. BUT......I don't get it. He's considered by many to be the best drummer of all-time, yet I don't see him as even being the best of his era. Neil Peart, Keith Moon, Phil Erhardt (Kansas), Ian Paice (Deep Purple) are all, at least AS good as Bonham IMO. And, having been a huge Zeppelin fan in High School, I've heard the catalog numerous times and I don't see what's so tough about the drum parts on roughly 90% of their material. Of course, I don't/can't play drums, so maybe I'm just an idiot. Nope, yer not an idiot Jesse. I hear yer lament and can kinda relate to a degree. However, it's been said, and I can't recall from whence I gleaned the following info, but it made perfect sense if you actually break er down. Bonham had the ability to deliver the goods, just when you expected the wheels to fall off. He was always one "micro-step" behind the deal and just when you thought the beat was about to fail, he'd be there, big time! the pounder and the banger, each and every step of the way. Filling in the gap just when you thought all was lost...in that "micro second" only to bring it all home home with each beat of his ever loving natural talent. The man had the incredible ability to keep up and bring up the rear with each and every track that Zep put out. Compare the power drumming of guys like Peart...who, for the most part, leads the way in that department...always carrying the beat...a few nano seconds ahead of the rest, same applies to Moon and Palmer...the crazy assed hyper style of drumming. Paice on the earlier DP stuff certainly exemplifies this format. "Highway Star" stands out as an example. It's funny, but I was just listening to "Fool In The Rain" and there's a perfect example of his style. If you really listen to it...it's apparent. In fact, he seems to behind, just a tad...and then when they get into the culmination / climax of the track, it almost sounds like Bonzo is about to get all tangled up with the drum sequence...yet he pulls it all off in fine form..............maybe it's the whistle helping him out???...hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. "When The Levee Breaks" is another fine example. Does this song not sound like the drums are going in "slo mo"  The track holds up just fine though doesn't it? Trust me, there's a split second delay with each beat. Bonham, like Mick Fleetwood to a degree fall into the later category. Very powerful...but just a tad back in delivery. Honestly, I have to concur, the 2 styles make for an incredible audible difference in regards to the outcome...now......that being said... Maybe I'm an idiot???...hahahaha. I just think Bonham is a true wonder and one of the best. Being a lover of drums to begin with, I can't really think of an overrated one...hahaha. Thanks Kim |
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Post by Equinox on Nov 1, 2009 0:03:40 GMT -5
Overrated? I've never heard anyone say he was a great drummer. |
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