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Post by sandi on Jun 20, 2006 23:34:20 GMT -5
JOURNEY SINGER ACCUSED OF LIP-SYNCHING
If an anonymous blogger is to be believed, Journey concerts haven't exactly been live performances. The Escape To Tape site has messages from "rockndeano" that say Journey frontman Steve Augeri has been lip-syncing on stage to a pre-recorded vocal track, while the band plays live behind him. To prove his point, "rockndeano" has been posting live audio recordings and video footage online that he says prove his point, but several of the clips have been removed from their hosting site, and the blogger says pressure from Journey's management forced the hosting sites to take them down -- but a couple of audio tracks can still be found. There's been no public response from the Journey camp, but the band's webmaster is refusing to allow any discussion of the topic on the journeymusic.com message boards "until the rumors and speculation are officially addressed." Based on his posts, "Rockndeano" expects a response from Journey at any time. To check it out for yourself, go to escape-to-tape.blogspot.com.
Neither the blogger nor Journey's publicist responded to messages yesterday (Sunday, June 18th)
Journey kicks off their co-headlining tour with Def Leppard on Friday (June 23rd) in Camden, New Jersey.
June 19, 2006
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Post by rocknut on Jun 21, 2006 4:31:59 GMT -5
Rockndeano has an agenda...which is obvious from his posts.
Having been a member of Back Talk [Journey's official forum] I can tell you that there are still Journey fans out there that refuse to accept that Steve Perry is no longer with the band. They will do anything to disrupt, annoy and generally be heard.
My guess is Rockndeano is one such 'fan'.
File under [Ace Ventura voice] 'obssessed much?'
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Post by Jesse on Jun 21, 2006 7:39:17 GMT -5
I'm surprised something like this hasn't come out sooner. The guy sounds JUST LIKE VINTAGE STEVE PERRY! However, having seen Augeri sing at the rinky-dink Bottom Line shit-hole in NYC, front and center for a raw, half baked version of "Lights", I can tell you that THE GUY REALLY DOES SOUND LIKE VINTAGE PERRY  ! Now, all that said, could they be using Augeri-recorded vocal tracks in concert to cover up a cold or sore throat? I guess that's possible. But why do that when they have a drummer who sings just as good if not better?  |
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Post by Equinox on Jun 21, 2006 11:16:47 GMT -5
When I saw Journey two summers ago, Augeri definitely wasn't lip-synching. About four songs in, his voice started cracking and he sang lousy the rest of the night.
Maybe he has some condition with his voice that he loses it sometime, and they do some recording to help him out. Then again, maybe the blogger is just throwing crap out there.
BTW, the night I saw them, Styx and REO both outperformed Journey, even before the voice issues. They ought to call the band The Neal Schon band, because unless Augeri was singing, he and the rest of the band stayed in the shadows while Schon wailed on long solo's (not saying it's a bad thing, but..) and there was very little interplay between the band members.
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Post by Pete on Jun 21, 2006 11:42:23 GMT -5
I listened to some of the audio examples the guy has posted as proof of lip syncing. First of all I could care less if he is or not. I'm not a huge Journey fan but I don't hate them either. Secondly how the hell are you supposed to tell if someone is lip syncing form listening to an audio track? The blogger is trying to make the point that he sounds exactly the same from night to night so it must be a recording. If what he's saying is true why does he remain anonymous It's probably Steve Perry  |
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Post by Trexx on Jun 21, 2006 13:44:04 GMT -5
...It's probably Steve Perry He, he, he... Lip syncing is bad, though if it's done under the guise of a live performance though, don't you think? |
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Post by hojam on Jun 21, 2006 15:27:48 GMT -5
Uh-oh.... ya know what this means.... next, I suppose a bitter Kiss-fan will blog that Tommy Thayer is "guitar-syncing" |
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Post by Frank on Jun 21, 2006 18:00:44 GMT -5
I SAW JOURNEY WITH STEVE AUGERI LIVE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. I SAW NO EVIDENCE OF LIP SYNCHING. IT'S JUST PROBABLY A BALL BABY STEVE PERRY FAN WITH AN AXE TO GRIND. STEVE PERRY IS NO LONGER IN THE BAND........... AND THEIR BETTTER OFF WITHOUT HIM AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED!!
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Post by cozyal on Jun 21, 2006 22:43:59 GMT -5
Have to say that this is indeed a sad state of affairs & as posted by Andrew @ www.melodicrock.com/ & Dave Ling (Classic Rock) on His Diary Webpage: www.daveling.co.uk/diary.htm Journey need to get their legal reps in order & post a reply ASAP ....., the world SERIOUSLY awaits! He's seemed great to me each time, although I've never yet seen him singing, from way up close, so I could never pass judgement. That said in all fairness, ALL big Ex name rock bands use either backing tapes or off stage musicians to compliment them these days & it's totally true. Sad to see on DVD's & the last time Toto toured the USA, that there were guys off the main stage playing keys. Many big name bands simply can't recreate the studio sould as good live, hence why the backing tracks. It's a fact of life these days, sadly we all need to get used to it folks & it is interesting that Deen, Neal, Jonathan & Ross all share some lead vocal duties these days to - I guess - rest Mr Augeri's voice. I for one hope they can prove it's not the case .............. All the best Keep on rockin' Cozy Al |
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Post by rocknut on Jun 22, 2006 2:09:43 GMT -5
The 'world' does not seriously await...and Journey don't need to post a reply to anything, why the hell should they?
You're falling for it too, talk about knee jerk reactions.
I've seen Steve with Journey and also in a small club [Wedgewood Rooms, Portsmouth, England...capacity maybe 500] and he wasn't lip synching/miming then.
Just because one fan decides that the singer is not singing live, and then posts ad nauseum about it does not mean the band have to justify themselves.
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Post by HARD ROCK UNIVERSE on Jun 22, 2006 9:51:50 GMT -5
When I covered the Journey show for this site last summer I was able to get really close to the stage, and I saw no evidence of either any lip synching going on, or any extra instrumentation whatsoever. I'm not the biggest Journey fan by any means, but they did impress me. :(Auguri has more stage presence than Perry did, and with him and also having a drummer that can nail Perry's parts perfectly, there's no need for them to have him in the band anymore. Probably a lot of the casual fans that come to the shows don't know any different anyway |
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Post by Scott on Jun 22, 2006 18:26:59 GMT -5
I've been casually following this story. I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I expected to see a "this is total bullsh*t" reply from Journey fairly quickly. But, it hasn't happened. I also find it disturbing that their "webmaster" is refusing discussion of the topic on their message boards. If there's no truth to it, then why the censorship? People should be free to discuss whatever the hell they want.
On the other hand, I find it really hard to believe that Augeri would need to lip-sync on stage. Besides, IF it were true...the guys in the band would have to know that if something like that became known, it would be absolute career suicide.
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Post by cozyal on Jun 22, 2006 21:32:13 GMT -5
Hey, wooah there gang, again, I'm sharing what I've read elsewhere! Oh & there should have been the 2 little words I missed when adding to forum, "IF TRUE" in there. It had been a long day, etc, etc, when I wrote it. 'scuse that fopar! There is some dude out there goes by the name of Deano who has been "slandering" the band for want of a better word, apparently for some time. The Swedish sound Eng., is apparently totally neutral, but obviously made comments that were picked up & spead everywhere ....., not cool. Bet he regrets that for real. Listen, I love the band, have been doing so since the first time they played the UK on the Departure tour, where they only did 2 dates, London & I believe Birmingham, but since the London date was the only one I was likely to be able to get to, the other date didn't stick in the old memory cells! Journey IS, HAS BEEN & WILL continue to BE one of my top five fav bands, no question. Steve Augeri's work in Tall Stories before Journey was great also. By the way "Rocknut," when the heck did Journey play the "Wedgie," Wedgwood Rooms? -Correct spelling by the venue themselves. Yes, I questioned it myself, many moons back as I'm from Pompey! Born & raised!!! I'll have to check with my old mate Steve Newman as he's just down the road from there still & he & have been Journey freaks for years! Would've loved to have seen that one, you lucky bugger! Anyway, I think Journey will possibly just ignore it & press on. Go to www.journeymusic.com they've just made a new announcement regarding the tour kicking off tomorrow! My wife & I wish we could be at the Detroit (Clarkston) gig, but we're seriously broke right now & Tuesday this week I got laid off from my new job as the company I was at restructured chopping 30 jobs from that place. My wife has just had her job cut from Full time to Part time so the US Automotive industry is really kicking where it hurts! Keep on rockin' folks! Enjoy the summer shows! Cozy Al |
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Post by rocknut on Jun 23, 2006 2:50:38 GMT -5
Oops, sorry.
I should have said I saw him with Journey in Atlanta and with Tyketto at the Wedgwood Rooms.
Apologies for the incorrect spelling 'cozyal'.
I lived in Gosport for the best part of 20 years and have recently moved to North End [and then out again, quickly].
The fact that I spelt the venue wrong doesn't mean my story is made up.
You'll say you never said that, I'll say you didn't have to. The way you wrote 'rocknut' was enough to tell me what I needed to know.
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Post by rocknut on Jun 23, 2006 2:53:10 GMT -5
I also find it disturbing that their "webmaster" is refusing discussion of the topic on their message boards. If there's no truth to it, then why the censorship? People should be free to discuss whatever the hell they want. Back Talk has a policy of not allowing any negative thread regarding the band...... whatsoever. It's one of the reasons I don't post there any longer. Nobody is free to discuss whatever they want, you're kidding yourself if you think they are. |
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Post by Speedy on Jun 23, 2006 5:55:19 GMT -5
Journey sucks no matter who is singing. Why would you stand there and lip sync to a pussy voice like that? He's singing.
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Post by rocknut on Jun 23, 2006 6:34:57 GMT -5
Journey sucks no matter who is singing. Why would you stand there and lip sync to a pussy voice like that? He's singing. * Refusing to retaliate to such transparent provocation*  |
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Post by Blue Collar Man on Jun 23, 2006 21:04:47 GMT -5
I just wanted to note, that the administrator of the Journey "Back Talk" did rethink and allow the fans to voice their opinion on this issue. Actually, the post reached about 16 pages before it was recently shut down (they believed it was time to give the topic a rest with Journey's U.S. Tour beginning tonight). Simply, while the original decision was to allow no discussion of this on the "Back Talk", that decision was later reconsidered and fan WERE ABLE to post their thoughts.
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Post by Speedy on Jun 23, 2006 22:11:30 GMT -5
Journey sucks no matter who is singing. Why would you stand there and lip sync to a pussy voice like that? He's singing. * Refusing to retaliate to such transparent provocation* I should have added IMO of course |
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Post by cozyal on Jun 24, 2006 0:50:50 GMT -5
Hey there rocknut, think you're reading too deep but you're going to guess I said that right based on what you're saying. How I wrote rocknut? Lost me there, it's your screen / webname ...., I'd put whoever in " ......," whoever they were, "Nightwatcher," "Picklehead," etc, whoever. Listen, really wasn't trying to stir anything up with you matey. Chill fella! We're all rock fans together here, right! I was serious about the Wedgwood place, heck I always remember me old Mum's best china was ......., Wedgewood, hence why I thought it was also spelt that way ...... WOW! Uncanny about where you were at ..... I was born in Pompey, OK maybe not 100% accurate "born & raised" but certainly in that area! Waterlooville from 1 - 5, Emsworth from 5 - 24, Yapton 24 - 25, Waterlooville 25 - 27, Gosport 27 - 35, Copnor / Southsea 35 - 38, Auburn Hills, MI, USA 38 - 42, Sterling Heights, MI, USA 42 to present! I used to gig in bands from Chichester / Bognor across through Gosport / Pompey to Winchester, basically West Sussex to all over Hampshire in a few bands, "Just Before Dawn," "Medler" & "Full Tilt." It was fun stuff, now I've been doing it around Detroit area, way different, although with 2 new kids, less time for band! Hey Tyketto were good too, never got to see them with Augeri though, huge shame. Used to go to a few gigs down the Wedgwood Rooms, The Brook down the road in the "other territory down the road," if you lived locally there, you know what / who I mean! The Brook was a great venue, saw many fine bands there when they didn't play "The Wedge!" Used to see many gigs at the Rock Gardens, Southsea in the old days, Chichester Rock Society too, played a few gigs in Gosport too at The Railway, Barley Mow & Olivers in "Full Tilt." They were good old days! Listen, here's to a successful tour for Journey / Def Leppard this summer & I'm also looking forward to the issue of the lost Tall Stories album. Should be good! All the best everyone, oh & "mrspeedgene," put that tongue away dude! Ha ha ha! Cozy Al |
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