Random Thoughts On The Republican 2012 Candidates

[kim]

Oct 16, 2011 9:59:01 GMT -5 Jesse said:

Kim, you are entitiled to hate Sarah Palin as much as you want, but I ask that you be fair and consistant about your hatred of her
Never once did I say that I hated her. Hate is a very strong word
and one that I have rarely used unless it was in jest...certainly
not one that I have used in any formal type debates here.
Hell, I'm sure that she's a great person just like the rest of us, but fodder for a run at the white house baffles me?

and your love of Obama. Back in '08 Obama wasn't much more than a smiling face and a good sound-bite read flawlessly from a teleprompter, yet you fell for it hook line and sinker.

I don't love Obama. I never claimed to love the man.
I simply got caught up in the whole "Hope and Change"
thing that a lot of people did when they voted for him.
Call me crazy, but it sounded pretty positive to me at the
time...whether it worked or not???
Sorry, but Curious George never came across to me in the same
manner. He pretty much said, "You're Either With Us or Against Us"................Well sorry....there bushie boy...but you are not
the dictatorial boss of me...again, nuff said.

During interviews and debates in '08, I honestly didn't see much difference between Palin's performances and Obama's. Sure, Palin looked dumb in not directly answering Katie Couric's snobbish question about what magazines and newspapers Palin read up in Alaska,

Right you are, I suppose it was a snobbish question to ask a presidential candidate as to what they read...however, any
presidential candidate worthy of their salt would have simply
replied in turn, with either a simple answer, or a retort in regards to what the hell did that have to do with the price of wheat in Kansas? She elected to proceed in a defensive mode on a very
simple question and it would have come back to haunt her further, the more she was questioned on commom everyday questions that come up during any given interviews along the way.

but Obama looked even DUMBER in his interview with Bill O'Reilly in which I believe he set records for stuttering and using the words uhm and uh for yes or no questions. Also, did we ever find out what newspapers and magazines Obama read regularly?

Let's face it, O"Reilly can make anyone look pretty dumb because the man states it as it is. Point blank and goes for the throat in pretty much any interview that he conducts and gets away with it. Not sure if he ever interviewed Palin, but if he went at her like he does to most, he'd tear her apart. Hell, even Letterman
was shaken to a degree a number of years ago, and Dave is not one to be put on the spot. In regards to answering with "uhm"
and "uh", I would have to say that I could relate to that kind of response to questions compared to that other guy that, even though he had a "teleprompter", still got his right hand from his left hand all buggered up? Yeah, I'm sure that Obama reads...but did THAT question come up?

Beyond that, where exactly did Palin stick her foot in her mouth? The whole "I can see Alaska from my house" statement was from TINA FEY ON SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE! Palin NEVER SAID IT. She did say that there are parts of Alaska in which on a clear day you can see Russia, THAT IS TRUE! No, you can't see the Kremlin, but you can certainly see Russia as it is closer to Alaska than Cuba is to Florida.

Okay, so I took it out of context...Tina Fey embellished the statement...but Sarah actually said something in the same vein
is what you're telling me? My bad for implying that she could
actually see a closeup of the landscape. I can honestly say that
if I visit the CN Tower here in Toronto, Canada, I can see you guys in the South as well, albeit through smog and other atmospheric conditions to contend with as well...but on a clear day...I can still see the border!!!!!!!!
I guess my question is..."WHAT"S THE POINT" in a campaign???

Her Paul Revere comments, while clumsy (I saw the statement) was true.
Nuff said.

I'd rather have a leader like her who clumsily tells the truth than someone like Obama who flawlessly bullshits the country.

Things are bad Jesse, but really...Obama aside, you mean to tell me that you'd be okay with her representing your great country?
I mean, she's pretty and all, but would anyone take her seriously
at any given "G8" or "G20" summit meeting?

Another one that the media chastised her over was when she addressed the Tea Party to not "Party like it was 1773". The media and those on the left (on e and the same really) lambasted her for being a historical ignoramous without realizing that the original Boston Tea party was in 1773 and THAT was what Palin was refering to. It's amazing how fucking dumb some of these liberal elites are. As I said before, I'm tired of Palin and other conservatives being labeled as stupid by people who would lose a game of Trivial Pursuit to a Rice Krispy treat.

I think a good part of the RIGHT gave up on her as well.
I have yet to hear the extreme right wingers or Tea Partiers
knocking her door down in order to get her to run...unless they
are once again saving her for the 9th inning pitcher when it comes down to the crucnh? Keep a good thought I guess?
BTW...The game of "Trivial Pursuit" was invented here in Canada...and I think "Rice Krispies" was one of the answers...........hahaha.

You may be tired of the situation...but it won't change the fact that there are a lot of "stupid" people out there...and sadly, they occupy both sides of the fence my friend and a good majority of them are in the position to convince those of us that just don't buy into stupidity any longer and I'm sad to admit that Palin appears to be one of them.
The obvious can be witnessed within the recent Republican debates...
Just who in the hell is on "who's" side here? Looks to me
that there's enough strife betwixt Romney, Perry, Cain, Bachmann et all before we can even consider asking Palin to join the fray? Where's McCain?...should he not have a say?
Fuck the Dems...oh yeah...no contest...it's a done deal on this
front. Say "bu-buy" to any sort of Democratic rule for the
next 8 baby!

Witness what the globe is going through...
We have regimes that are being toppled after 40+ plus years
of dicatorial rule...along with civil uprising...Right Here!...on our
own soil...Occupy Wall Street for starters.

Again, you are entitled to not like Palin,

Just because I have no use for her as a politician, doesn't
mean I don't like her...I think she looks great in a pair of heels
and stockings, and she's pretty easy on the eyes during an interview, and I find her humourous. Nothing wrong with that
now is there? As I mentioned, I'm sure that she's a hoot and
I would befriend her in a heartbeat should I per chance cross
her path during the seasonal Elk run...as I'm sure that should
I run out of ammo, she'd oblige...and I don't even hunt!!!


I don't care, but please do so based on TRUTH not bullshit as there isn't a thread of truth to most of your reasons for bashing her.

Sorry Jesse, for not having more in the way of solidified reasons
for not being a Palin candidate. I'm sure that it will all work out
for her however. I hope that I've been able to clean up some
of the "bullshit" that I have been responsible for espewing
in regards to my comments on Sarah Palin.

Hey!........most importantly...I really hope things are going
okay with you and yours my friend...............

Thanks
Kim

[Jesse]

Kim, I'd still like to know how Obama answered the very same question of what magazines and newspapers he's read? Since he's such genius, how did he answer that same question? Clearly that is the litmus test for how you judge a candidate's smarts, right?


For the record Palin WAS interviewed by O'Reilly a few times. He's tough but fair. She did ok. Again, I'd be perfectly fine with someone like her as President. She governed the largest state in the Union, which was more than Obama had done. You still haven't backed up your allegations as to why she's not up to the task. It's probably a moot point because she is not running for President and probably won't, but it seems to me that anybody with an "R" next to their name politically is going to get contempt from you. However, perhaps with your track record (telling us how great Obama was going to be), I should look at such contempt from you as a good thing.

[Jesse]

Oct 21, 2011 14:40:03 GMT -5 kim said:

Oct 16, 2011 9:59:01 GMT -5 Jesse said:

Kim, you are entitiled to hate Sarah Palin as much as you want, but I ask that you be fair and consistant about your hatred of her
Never once did I say that I hated her. Hate is a very strong word
and one that I have rarely used unless it was in jest...certainly
not one that I have used in any formal type debates here.
Hell, I'm sure that she's a great person just like the rest of us, but fodder for a run at the white house baffles me?Fair enough

and your love of Obama. Back in '08 Obama wasn't much more than a smiling face and a good sound-bite read flawlessly from a teleprompter, yet you fell for it hook line and sinker.

I don't love Obama. I never claimed to love the man.
I simply got caught up in the whole "Hope and Change"
thing that a lot of people did when they voted for him.
Call me crazy, but it sounded pretty positive to me at the
time...whether it worked or not???
Sorry, but Curious George never came across to me in the same
manner. He pretty much said, "You're Either With Us or Against Us"................Well sorry....there bushie boy...but you are not
the dictatorial boss of me...again, nuff said.Not buyin' this one buddy. For nearly 4 years you posted on this forum about how smart a guy Obama was and how lucky we were to have him. No, you never said you loved him, but it sure sounded like it. Sorry, Bush's whole "with us or against us" thing offended you. I didn't realize our neighbors to the North were so sensitive. I guess Bush didn't either.

During interviews and debates in '08, I honestly didn't see much difference between Palin's performances and Obama's. Sure, Palin looked dumb in not directly answering Katie Couric's snobbish question about what magazines and newspapers Palin read up in Alaska,

Right you are, I suppose it was a snobbish question to ask a presidential candidate as to what they read...however, any
presidential candidate worthy of their salt would have simply
replied in turn, with either a simple answer, or a retort in regards to what the hell did that have to do with the price of wheat in Kansas? She elected to proceed in a defensive mode on a very
simple question and it would have come back to haunt her further, the more she was questioned on commom everyday questions that come up during any given interviews along the way. I don't disagree with your point, I just disagree with your conclusion from that point. If you can show me how Obama or Biden handled that question better, I'd be more willing to hold that against Palin.

but Obama looked even DUMBER in his interview with Bill O'Reilly in which I believe he set records for stuttering and using the words uhm and uh for yes or no questions. Also, did we ever find out what newspapers and magazines Obama read regularly?

Let's face it, O"Reilly can make anyone look pretty dumb because the man states it as it is. Point blank and goes for the throat in pretty much any interview that he conducts and gets away with it. Not sure if he ever interviewed Palin, but if he went at her like he does to most, he'd tear her apart. Hell, even Letterman
was shaken to a degree a number of years ago, and Dave is not one to be put on the spot. In regards to answering with "uhm"
and "uh", I would have to say that I could relate to that kind of response to questions compared to that other guy that, even though he had a "teleprompter", still got his right hand from his left hand all buggered up? Yeah, I'm sure that Obama reads...but did THAT question come up?

O'Reilly did get to interview Palin and she held her own. Didn't stammer like a retard anyhow. O'Reilly posed several reasonable questions to Obama that he looked quite foolish avoiding an answer to. What his reading material was wasn't one of them though.

Beyond that, where exactly did Palin stick her foot in her mouth? The whole "I can see Alaska from my house" statement was from TINA FEY ON SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE! Palin NEVER SAID IT. She did say that there are parts of Alaska in which on a clear day you can see Russia, THAT IS TRUE! No, you can't see the Kremlin, but you can certainly see Russia as it is closer to Alaska than Cuba is to Florida.

Okay, so I took it out of context...Tina Fey embellished the statement...but Sarah actually said something in the same vein
is what you're telling me? My bad for implying that she could
actually see a closeup of the landscape. I can honestly say that
if I visit the CN Tower here in Toronto, Canada, I can see you guys in the South as well, albeit through smog and other atmospheric conditions to contend with as well...but on a clear day...I can still see the border!!!!!!!!
I guess my question is..."WHAT"S THE POINT" in a campaign???

You didn't take it out of context, Kim. You took it from an actress SPOOFING PALIN! As to what was the point of Palin's actual quote, I don't know, why don't you find THE ACTUAL QUOTE AND THE ACTUAL CONTEXT bfore slamming her over it?

Her Paul Revere comments, while clumsy (I saw the statement) was true.
Nuff said.

I'd rather have a leader like her who clumsily tells the truth than someone like Obama who flawlessly bullshits the country.

Things are bad Jesse, but really...Obama aside, you mean to tell me that you'd be okay with her representing your great country?
I mean, she's pretty and all, but would anyone take her seriously
at any given "G8" or "G20" summit meeting?
Why not? She would certainly be taken more seriously than Obama. I know that's a low bar to hurdle, but c'mon? WHY would she not be taken seriously? You keep repeating the same stuff but don't back it up. You're better than that.
Another one that the media chastised her over was when she addressed the Tea Party to not "Party like it was 1773". The media and those on the left (on e and the same really) lambasted her for being a historical ignoramous without realizing that the original Boston Tea party was in 1773 and THAT was what Palin was refering to. It's amazing how fucking dumb some of these liberal elites are. As I said before, I'm tired of Palin and other conservatives being labeled as stupid by people who would lose a game of Trivial Pursuit to a Rice Krispy treat.

I think a good part of the RIGHT gave up on her as well.
I have yet to hear the extreme right wingers or Tea Partiers
knocking her door down in order to get her to run...unless they
are once again saving her for the 9th inning pitcher when it comes down to the crucnh? Keep a good thought I guess?
BTW...The game of "Trivial Pursuit" was invented here in Canada...and I think "Rice Krispies" was one of the answers...........hahaha.

You may be tired of the situation...but it won't change the fact that there are a lot of "stupid" people out there...and sadly, they occupy both sides of the fence my friend and a good majority of them are in the position to convince those of us that just don't buy into stupidity any longer and I'm sad to admit that Palin appears to be one of them.
The obvious can be witnessed within the recent Republican debates...
Just who in the hell is on "who's" side here? Looks to me
that there's enough strife betwixt Romney, Perry, Cain, Bachmann et all before we can even consider asking Palin to join the fray? Where's McCain?...should he not have a say?
Fuck the Dems...oh yeah...no contest...it's a done deal on this
front. Say "bu-buy" to any sort of Democratic rule for the
next 8 baby!

Witness what the globe is going through...
We have regimes that are being toppled after 40+ plus years
of dicatorial rule...along with civil uprising...Right Here!...on our
own soil...Occupy Wall Street for starters.
Many on the right don't like her because she's not establishment. Simple as that. It's my belief that if partisans on both the left and right don't like you, you must be doing something correct. Palin's not running and probably won't run for President. I don't know why some still feel the need to tear her down.

Again, you are entitled to not like Palin,

Just because I have no use for her as a politician, doesn't
mean I don't like her...I think she looks great in a pair of heels
and stockings, and she's pretty easy on the eyes during an interview, and I find her humourous. Nothing wrong with that
now is there? As I mentioned, I'm sure that she's a hoot and
I would befriend her in a heartbeat should I per chance cross
her path during the seasonal Elk run...as I'm sure that should
I run out of ammo, she'd oblige...and I don't even hunt!!!


I don't care, but please do so based on TRUTH not bullshit as there isn't a thread of truth to most of your reasons for bashing her.

Sorry Jesse, for not having more in the way of solidified reasons
for not being a Palin candidate. I'm sure that it will all work out
for her however. I hope that I've been able to clean up some
of the "bullshit" that I have been responsible for espewing
in regards to my comments on Sarah Palin.

Hey!........most importantly...I really hope things are going
okay with you and yours my friend...............

Thanks
Kim

[Jesse]

Back to the topic at hand:

After the last debate I really felt Rick Perry was done, and he still might be. But I read an interview with him yesterday and he come across quite well in it. Couple that with the fact that there are about 150 more debates and I guess there is no writing off anybody just yet.


I saw Rick Santorum get interviewed on a news program last week and I think HE comes across very Presidential. I wasn't sure why he doesn't seem to get any traction........then he started up about gay marriage and I knew why. Not sure why he's going down that route when the economy is clearly going to be the issue this election cycle. There will be plenty of time to argue for or against gay marriage after everybody gets back to work and pays down some bills that have piled up over the last 4+ years.


Romney is still unflappable, but the media hasn't turned on him yet. Remember, McCain was the media darling in 2008 until he won the nomination, then seemed shell shocked when the media turned on him. Hopefully Romney is better prepared for the turn of events to come.

Bachmann could be finished. She's putting all her resources into Iowa. If she finishes anywhere below 2nd there, she is done.

Cain's been taking some heat as of late. Some days he handles it better than others. Kim's idea of a Romney/Cain ticket seems to be gaining favor as I hear more and more pundits talking about it.

John Huntsman recently got a backhanded endorsement from Micheal Moore. That tells me something's wrong right there. I wouldn't hire someone to pump my septic system if Moore recommended them.

Ron Paul will NEVER get the nomination, but some of his ideas about downsizing government should be taken seriously by whoever does.

[Pete]

Cain is done put a fork in him. Cain has a few good ideas (9 9 9 not being one of them) but Cain has never been elected to anything even losing a senate bid. Now he thinks he can win a presidential race? Cain's campaign manager is known here in Wisconsin. Picking him says something about Cain's judgement and it aint good.

Bachman is done. Santorum is done. Perry is done.

Gingrich and Huntsman are the only two in my opinion that have anywhere near enough heft to seriously challenge Romney much less Obama. How or why Moore endorsed Huntsman is beyond me. Other than the fact he's worried that Huntsman would be serious competition for Obama and his back hand endorsement would effect Republican primary voters as it did Jesse.

I really like Huntsman. He is a very intelligent fiscal conservative with great credentials and an impeachable record but not a fire breathing right winger like Bachman or Cain which may be why he's not gaining momentum in the primary. In my opinion Huntsman is what Romney pretends to be.

Ron Paul would never have a chance in the general election. There have been rumblings and rumors of him running third party. If he does Obama wins easily.

Cain will not be picked on anyone's ticket for Vice President. Someone who can bring electoral votes will be picked. Or a younger up and comer. Marco Rubio fills both of those and Rubio is a definite future Presidential contender. There are a number of others who would do more for the ticket than Cain without the baggage.

[Jesse]

Perry's done. He's a likable enough guy in interviews and speeches, but he's blowing the debates bigtime. I agree with his premise that a good debater doesn't equal a good leader, but one will never get a chance to lead if they keep looking like fools in debates.

Other than Perry, I don't know that anybody is really out of the running yet, wait, Ron Paul is. Even Bachman and Santorum who are polling in single digits are poised to do well in Iowa. Cain took some hits, but he's still among the top 3. Gingrich is soaring right now and is the hot pick. Romney just keeps coasting along boasting little more than the fact that he's "electable". Huntsman keeps plugging along at the tail end of the pack. He's got some good ideas and has a good resume, but I'm not really iinterested in a guy liberals keep endorsing. Sorry.

[Pete]

Liberals aren't endorsing Huntsman they're recognizing he's an intelligent center right Republican and saying he would be real contender and maybe a decent President. Micheal Moore or any other liberal haven't actually endorsed him or said they like his policies. The Wall Street Journal, Jack Welch, Tom Ridge among others have all said he has the best and most serious conservative economic platform.

Bachman, Santorum, Perry, Cain, even Perry would to terrible in the general election and Obama would be reelected. The only three I see have a real chance against Obama is Romney, Huntsman or Gingrich but the way it looks Romney will survive Iowa and probably win New Hampshire and take the nomination.

The general will be tight no matter who wins or what the polls look like right now.

[Trexx]

Clowns! One and all. Scary clowns!
...falling like flies too.

[Jesse]

Nov 16, 2011 20:36:41 GMT -5 Trexx said:

Clowns! One and all. Scary clowns!
...falling like flies too.

Not nearly as scary as the clown we have in office currently. I'll take any of them over Obama, clearly the most clueless President since Carter.

[Trexx]

Nov 17, 2011 11:56:06 GMT -5 Jesse said:

Nov 16, 2011 20:36:41 GMT -5 Trexx said:

Clowns! One and all. Scary clowns!
...falling like flies too.

Not nearly as scary as the clown we have in office currently. I'll take any of them over Obama, clearly the most clueless President since Carter.

Well, he seemed to know what to do when it came to whacking Osama Bin Laden and he showed prowess working to bring Muammar Gaddafi, the dictator of Libya down. Furthermore, he brought the plight of the middle class to the forefront of public debate. If he's a clown then he's a cool headed one the knows a trick or two.

The Dill-Weeds running their yaps against the President have nary an idea to put forth to make anything better. Even when a plan is stated it's a bunch of double-talk rhetoric b.s. (ie; Cain's 999 plan) The loudest drum beaters... the Hypocritical-Medicare-supplemented-whacko-tea'tards, have yet to bring anything constructive to the argument or, gawd forbid, state any kind of solution.

[Jesse]

Nov 17, 2011 14:32:52 GMT -5 Trexx said:

Nov 17, 2011 11:56:06 GMT -5 Jesse said:

Not nearly as scary as the clown we have in office currently. I'll take any of them over Obama, clearly the most clueless President since Carter.

Well, he seemed to know what to do when it came to whacking Osama Bin Laden and he showed prowess working to bring Muammar Gaddafi, the dictator of Libya down. Furthermore, he brought the plight of the middle class to the forefront of public debate. If he's a clown then he's a cool headed one the knows a trick or two.

The Dill-Weeds running their yaps against the President have nary an idea to put forth to make anything better. Even when a plan is stated it's a bunch of double-talk rhetoric b.s. (ie; Cain's 999 plan) The loudest drum beaters... the Hypocritical-Medicare-supplemented-whacko-tea'tards, have yet to bring anything constructive to the argument or, gawd forbid, state any kind of solution.

Total bullshit. I'll give Obama credit for pulling the trigger on the Osama takedown. In Libya. it's hardly a bad thing that Gaddafy is gone so I'll give him that too. When it comes to the economy, Obama is clueless. His answer to everything is to throw more money at it. It hasn't worked, it's not going to work. Cain's 999 plan isn't perfect, but it's a start. Perry's flat tax is a better idea. If you would pay attention, there are plenty of plans out there put forth by Republicans that are wortha look at. What has Obama put forth? More spending? How stupid can one get? If more spending worked the first time, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You obviously have nothing but left-wing rhetoric to add to this conversation. Typical. you can't defend your President so you hurl insults at the opposition. grow up. Left wing politics doesn't work, the last 3 years are proof positve. Call me what ever name you want, YOUR GUY has made a bad economy worse. $15 trillion dollar debt, Democratic Senate hasn't passed a budget in nearly 3 years, 9% unemployment, Iran's working on a nuke, gas is closing in on $4 a gallon, the dollar is steadily losing value, food prices are soaring, private sector wages are falling.....if this is what you wanted and want for another 4 years, God bless you, but I think we can do better. Are any of the Republican candidates capable of doing better? I think you could throw a rock into a crowded restaurant and hit somebody who could do better. The only reason Rick Perry is still has a shot is because we've learned in the last few years that smooth talking doesn't equal intelligence.

[Trexx]

I do not agree that there is any better plan for economic recovery being presented. Everything discussed is shit.
...and the Tea Party folks are truly hypocrites. 95% of them are on Medicare/Medicade, Medi-Cal or both. I know, I've spoke with them. They have their health costs in the bag! The other 5% are so wealthy they have monthly health premiums in excess of $1000 a month and it's fine and dandy for them.

I do agree with you about overspending being a problem. Also, the idea that government can make jobs is a horrendous notion. Creating government jobs to bolster an economy is like a serpant nourishing itself by devoring it's own tail.

I'd like to see a conservative contender step up and hold on. So far they are falling like flies.

[Jesse]

Again, I call bullshit. I don't know who you were talking to, maybe 95% of those you talked to were on medicare or medicaid, but there is no way that 95% of the Tea Party movement as a whole is on those programs. One must be of retirement age to recieve medicare and all of the Tea party protests I've seen, the crowds are way too young. And as someone who tried to get medicaid for my wife in the past year, I can tell you first hand that it is damn near impossible to get unless you are dirt poor and I don't see that as the case with tea party folks. They are just regular people who want to see less taxes and less government, is that such a bad thing?

[Trexx]

The only young folks I've met at Tea Parties are political workers. ie: consultants and campaign advisors. All the rest are retirement age.

[Jesse]

Nov 29, 2011 14:11:12 GMT -5 Trexx said:

The only young folks I've met at Tea Parties are political workers. ie: consultants and campaign advisors. All the rest are retirement age.

I don't doubt what you've seen, I just don't see that as typical of the movement.

[Pete]

[Jesse]

Dec 3, 2011 13:29:30 GMT -5 Pete said:

You keep banging that drum, he may be the guy yet.